THON infringing on Nation's foul shot hand sign?


#1

Pretty similar. Just sayin’… :wink:


#2

Idk bout that.lol…if anything we’re all stealing from Jay-Z…he’s been throwing up the roc way longer than either of us.


#3

Not to mention I think that it comes more from not having the energy to put my hands straight up…not so much to make a diamond wiith my hands.lol


#4

Haha, I know. I picked it up from the WR triplets, who picked it up from LJ2K, who picked it up from Jay-Z. The difference is that Nation has never used it on merchandise or as part of a logo because that is a big no-no.

It’s just interesting that THON has seen Nation doing that the last couple of years at the Target Ten/Score for the Four games thinking it was meant for them (I actually had to correct them when asked about it, but really it’s just a standard foul shot sign that Nation has used since the beginning), and they are now using it in an official capacity.


#5
[quote="NGameday, post:2, topic:248"]if anything we're all stealing from Jay-Z...he's been throwing up the roc way longer than either of us.[/quote]

Haha, I know. I picked it up from the WR triplets, who picked it up from LJ2K, who picked it up from Jay-Z. The difference is that Nation has never used it on merchandise or as part of a logo because that is a big no-no.

It’s just interesting that THON has seen Nation doing that the last couple of years at the Target Ten/Score for the Four games thinking it was meant for them (I actually had to correct them when asked about it, but really it’s just a standard foul shot sign that Nation has used since the beginning), and they are now using it in an official capacity.

I just love how you talk about organizations as if they have a mind of their own - “THON has seen Nation” ;D

The diamond sign has been around for YEARS. Insinuating that “THON” somehow appropriated it from “Nittany Nation” because of one basketball game is laughable.


#6

[quote=“UncleLar, post:5, topic:248”]I just love how you talk about organizations as if they have a mind of their own - “THON has seen Nation” ;D

The diamond sign has been around for YEARS. Insinuating that “THON” somehow appropriated it from “Nittany Nation” because of one basketball game is laughable.[/quote]

Lar, I know what I am talking about. I was asked specifically by one of the THON overalls at the first of the Target Ten games what that hand sign was, and if we were doing that hand sign for them since it looked like the Four Diamonds. I answered them “no”, but then at the subsequent THON (2008) I saw it in use for the first time, and I have been in the building for at least 40 hours of every THON since 2001. Last year (2009) it was very prevelant and built into the line dance as well.

I’m just saying that the rapid rise of this sign at THON strikes me as a little more than a coincidence since they partnered with Penn State basketball a few years back for the benefit games, exposing most of them to Nation and its actions for the first time.


#7

Dislike the behavior, not the charity.

The word that I’m thinking of is escaping me at the moment (it begins with an “A”) - it basically means to do something completely for someone elses’ benefit, receiving absolutely zero benefit for yourself from doing something. There really is absolutely nothing that fits this criteria, short of dying while in the act. It’s human nature to feel good and receive benefit in one way or another from every act that you do. If something really did not benefit you in any way (yes, “feeling good” is a benefit), you wouldn’t do it.

People express this differently. In your case, you keep the “good” feeling inside and really probably have it as a source of confidence. Some other people choose to show it more overtly, in a way that can be seen as showing off. Nothing is perfect, no one is perfect - this kind of stuff is human nature. The reality is that, despite individual attitudes or actions, the whole of THON is good and benefits a good cause. Dislike individual attitudes and actions, but don’t dislike THON. The two are separate things.

Is “dancing” for THON really necessary? No, obviously it is not really needed. You’ll hear people say that they do it so that they can get a small sense of the struggles that 4 Diamonds kids go through on a daily basis, but that’s really not the reason that most people dance (though there are exceptions). Dancing is self-fulfilling and allows people to push themselves. Dancing just makes people feel that they are engaging in something that is good, makes them feel “good,” and in some instances provides a way to show off (“I was involved in THON in college.” “Yeah, me too.” “That’s cool, I danced in 05, did you?” “Nah, I never danced.” etc - people can use it to 1-up). If you really think that you are doing it 100% to experience the struggles that people will give for a reason, then ask yourself one question:

“Would I do it alone, in a room shielded off from other people watching?” If you were really not doing it at all for yourself, the answer to this would be “yes.” However, I tend to think that that isn’t the case. So, obviously people dance for their own benefit - people will admit that, but so what? It’s human nature.


#8

Am I losing it or have I been censored? ???


#9

I think TJB deleted all of Devon’s THON-bashing posts and its replies.


#10

It might be in the best interest of the board just to let this thread die


#11
[quote="byake, post:8, topic:248"]Am I losing it or have I been censored? ???[/quote]

I think TJB deleted all of Devon’s THON-bashing posts and its replies.

Ahh, oh well. As long as Devon is put in his place.

Back to the hand sign… As long as I can remember throwing up the diamond has been a way of recognizing Four Diamonds Charities.


#12
[quote="UncleLar, post:5, topic:248"]I just love how you talk about organizations as if they have a mind of their own - "THON has seen Nation" ;D

The diamond sign has been around for YEARS. Insinuating that “THON” somehow appropriated it from “Nittany Nation” because of one basketball game is laughable.[/quote]

Lar, I know what I am talking about. I was asked specifically by one of the THON overalls at the first of the Target Ten games what that hand sign was, and if we were doing that hand sign for them since it looked like the Four Diamonds. I answered them “no”, but then at the subsequent THON (2008) I saw it in use for the first time, and I have been in the building for at least 40 hours of every THON since 2001. Last year (2009) it was very prevelant and built into the line dance as well.

I’m just saying that the rapid rise of this sign at THON strikes me as a little more than a coincidence since they partnered with Penn State basketball a few years back for the benefit games, exposing most of them to Nation and its actions for the first time.

You’ve got evidence of ONE person not knowing what you guys were doing at a basketball game. That is NOT evidence that “THON” stole the sign from you guys (and by the way, your group did NOT invent the sign so your group must have stolen it from someone else to begin with).


#13
[quote="NGameday, post:2, topic:248"]if anything we're all stealing from Jay-Z...he's been throwing up the roc way longer than either of us.[/quote]

Haha, I know. I picked it up from the WR triplets, who picked it up from LJ2K, who picked it up from Jay-Z.

And Diamond Dallas Page was using it at WWF wrestling matches in the 90s - and undoubtedly someone used it before him. The sign has been around forever.


#14

Lar, you’re again taking something way too seriously and blowing it out of proportion. Not once did I say Nation invented it so cool your jets. I don’t want to argue; I simply made what was a playful observation until you got on my case about it, then provided original research to back it up when prodded by you. This is my last post on the subject here.


#15

Lar is the type of guy who spell checks the newspaper everyday, searching for just one typo he can call somebody up about - anal retentive doesn’t begin to describe it. You can’t bring that weak, uncited stuff into his house and expect to get away with it. lol

On another note, is TJB deleting posts now? I have to say, I do not think such a thing makes a good precedent. If you have problems with people cursing or posting inappropriate (pornographic, libelous, etc) material that’s one thing, but just because you don’t personally like the tone of something? Seems like you’re asking for trouble by having such an inconsistent, subjective policy on such things on a board visited by so many.

If that type of blatant censorship is going to become the new policy however, I think a formal announcement ought to at least be made so some of us can get out while there’s still time.

But then again - i didn’t make it here in time to see just what was deleted, although that sort’ve proves my point. How do I know it was offensive if I never got the chance to see it, and why was it deleted if I don’t know the rules surrounding what’s acceptable or not?

On top of that - many of us have made donations in the past to help keep this site running, and I think we at least deserve some say in that sort of policy even if it is TJB’s site. I’ve left my fair share of boards that once took up large portions of my time for this type of behavior, and I’m hoping it wasn’t something that will become a trend and force me to move again.


#16

Which is exactly why Tim has always been reluctant to take donations. I, and I think most others, made our contributions with no strings attached. If you’d rather attach strings to your contributions, I’m sure he’d be glad to give you your money back so you can leave.


#17
[quote="NationBuilder, post:14, topic:248"]Lar, you're again taking something way too seriously and blowing it out of proportion. I don't want to argue; I'm simply making an observation and providing original evidence. Not once did I say Nation invented it so cool your jets. This is my last post on the subject here.[/quote]

Lar is the type of guy who spell checks the newspaper everyday, searching for just one typo he can call somebody up about - anal retentive doesn’t begin to describe it. You can’t bring that weak, uncited stuff into his house and expect to get away with it. lol

On another note, is TJB deleting posts now? I have to say, I do not think such a thing makes a good precedent. If you have problems with people cursing or posting inappropriate (pornographic, libelous, etc) material that’s one thing, but just because you don’t personally like the tone of something? Seems like you’re asking for trouble by having such an inconsistent, subjective policy on such things on a board visited by so many.

If that type of blatant censorship is going to become the new policy however, I think a formal announcement ought to at least be made so some of us can get out while there’s still time.

But then again - i didn’t make it here in time to see just what was deleted, although that sort’ve proves my point. How do I know it was offensive if I never got the chance to see it, and why was it deleted if I don’t know the rules surrounding what’s acceptable or not?

On top of that - many of us have made donations in the past to help keep this site running, and I think we at least deserve some say in that sort of policy even if it is TJB’s site. I’ve left my fair share of boards that once took up large portions of my time for this type of behavior, and I’m hoping it wasn’t something that will become a trend and force me to move again.

Craftsy it’s water under the bridge. While I didn’t state anything derogatory, Devon was taking us down a slippery slope.

And bringing up the donations is pretty rude considering it’s the least we can do compared to all the work Tim and others have done to keep this great site running. Craftsy what happened to you man, I remember you being better than this.


#18

[quote=“Craftsy21, post:15, topic:248”]On another note, is TJB deleting posts now? I have to say, I do not think such a thing makes a good precedent. If you have problems with people cursing or posting inappropriate (pornographic, libelous, etc) material that’s one thing, but just because you don’t personally like the tone of something? Seems like you’re asking for trouble by having such an inconsistent, subjective policy on such things on a board visited by so many.

If that type of blatant censorship is going to become the new policy however, I think a formal announcement ought to at least be made so some of us can get out while there’s still time.

But then again - i didn’t make it here in time to see just what was deleted, although that sort’ve proves my point. How do I know it was offensive if I never got the chance to see it, and why was it deleted if I don’t know the rules surrounding what’s acceptable or not?

On top of that - many of us have made donations in the past to help keep this site running, and I think we at least deserve some say in that sort of policy even if it is TJB’s site. I’ve left my fair share of boards that once took up large portions of my time for this type of behavior, and I’m hoping it wasn’t something that will become a trend and force me to move again.[/quote]

Nope, I just delete stuff I don’t like.

If it was not clear when you made the donation, I did not plan to change anything. The only thing the donations did guarantee is that I would try to make it another year. :o


#19

Just make sure you don’t accidentally flip that diamond sign upside down, especially around someone who knows sign language. :wink:


#20

Can we just stop? I mean we aren’t helping out our image anyway. We’re trying to make this program look good at all angles, we dont have the benifit of FOS to just say whatever we feel like. I pride in being part of this site for the intellect and the good converstation that we have. What Devon said wasn’t nice, or PC at all and I dont blame tjb for getting it off the site, lets not go around in a 1st amendment cirlce for the sake of argument. We’re better than this, and we’ve got a game tomorrow, lets get back to that.

I’m not trying to be yoda, or some moral compass, but somebody needs to stand up and say enough already. I guess I’ll do it.