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OT: Kansas on the ropes


#1

Selby just hit a 3, KU 69-68, USC ball, 24 seconds left after timeout. Selby’s first game. He’s 5-8 from the arc.

Now USC ball, 6.4 secs left.

Doh! On inbound, USC player stepped on the sideline. KU by 2. USC blew last shot opportunity. Selby had 21 in 1st game. Students stayed an extra day to see his 1st game. Looks like packed house.


#2

Did you hear Bobby Knight’s comment about what a mistake it was for the USC pg to dribble away 20 seconds with everyone standing around? At the time, USC was up two with the ball and 34 seconds to go. Bobby Knight said everyone on the USC team should have been moving because that way you can often get an easy basket as they overplay the ball handler.

USC pg takes a wild shot (he was never going to get a foul called at Kansas), KU goes down and scores; K up 1. USC guy steps on the line. KU gets the ball and is fouled - kid makes a free throw. USC tries a 60 foot three pointer and it misses.

The USC coach blew the game by having four of his players stand around.

As much as I dislike Bobby Knight personally, he is a very good coach. An IU team would have never lost a two point lead with the ball.


#3
An IU team would have never lost a two point lead with the ball.

I’d be wiling to bet it happened numerous times during his coaching career. It’s a lot easier to coach from press row, ain’t it? Or from way up in the cheap seats for that matter.

I was watching the game and listening to Knight. He’s definitely a great coach, I’m not doubting that - but it’s always easy to second-guess another coach when things don’t work out. Plenty of teams would have done the same thing as USC in that situation, and many have won games doing so. Just because Bob Knight would have done something different doesn’t mean it was the RIGHT decision, or his team would have definitely won the game as a result. The guy lost games as a coach also… does that mean he made the wrong decisions in those games? Who knows, doesn’t really matter.

You can almost never point to one 10 second moment in a close game and say this is where we lost it. There were numerous moments that could have swung the game in either direction in that 2nd half, they USC coach didn’t lose it by having his players “stand around” in that one moment. In fact, it could be argued he out-coached Self most of the game given how much more talent KU has.


#4

[quote=“Great Santini, post:2, topic:1655”]Did you hear Bobby Knight’s comment about what a mistake it was for the USC pg to dribble away 20 seconds with everyone standing around? At the time, USC was up two with the ball and 34 seconds to go. Bobby Knight said everyone on the USC team should have been moving because that way you can often get an easy basket as they overplay the ball handler.

USC pg takes a wild shot (he was never going to get a foul called at Kansas), KU goes down and scores; K up 1. USC guy steps on the line. KU gets the ball and is fouled - kid makes a free throw. USC tries a 60 foot three pointer and it misses.

The USC coach blew the game by having four of his players stand around.

As much as I dislike Bobby Knight personally, he is a very good coach. An IU team would have never lost a two point lead with the ball.[/quote]

The flip side of Bobby’s argument - they take an “easy” shot early in the shot clock and miss it. Then everyone’s talking about how stupid it was not to milk the clock.

When I see these situations, I’m more critical of coaches who don’t have a play ready for when they finally do get down to the last 8-10 seconds of the shot clock. But most teams are comfortable letting their star player go one-on-one in this situation. Often it works, but sometimes you get a wild-looking shot if the opponent plays good defense.


#5

The guy with ball in those situations is usually solid with the ball and a pretty good foul shooter. Do you want your worst ball handler with the ball or worst foul shouter sent to the line…
Each coach knows his team. There is no across the board “better way.”


#6

[quote=“Great Santini, post:2, topic:1655”]Did you hear Bobby Knight’s comment about what a mistake it was for the USC pg to dribble away 20 seconds with everyone standing around? At the time, USC was up two with the ball and 34 seconds to go. Bobby Knight said everyone on the USC team should have been moving because that way you can often get an easy basket as they overplay the ball handler.

USC pg takes a wild shot (he was never going to get a foul called at Kansas), KU goes down and scores; K up 1. USC guy steps on the line. KU gets the ball and is fouled - kid makes a free throw. USC tries a 60 foot three pointer and it misses.

The USC coach blew the game by having four of his players stand around.

As much as I dislike Bobby Knight personally, he is a very good coach. An IU team would have never lost a two point lead with the ball.[/quote]

That was definitely bad coaching by USC. They threw away those 20 seconds. Criticizing the USC coach for getting a good shot too early doesn’t make sense. They could have had a 4 point lead. They blew it. Like our team has often done, a bad shot late in the shot clock.


#7

Yeah, but WWPND?


#8

[quote=“Great Santini, post:2, topic:1655”]Did you hear Bobby Knight’s comment about what a mistake it was for the USC pg to dribble away 20 seconds with everyone standing around? At the time, USC was up two with the ball and 34 seconds to go. Bobby Knight said everyone on the USC team should have been moving because that way you can often get an easy basket as they overplay the ball handler.

USC pg takes a wild shot (he was never going to get a foul called at Kansas), KU goes down and scores; K up 1. USC guy steps on the line. KU gets the ball and is fouled - kid makes a free throw. USC tries a 60 foot three pointer and it misses.

The USC coach blew the game by having four of his players stand around.

As much as I dislike Bobby Knight personally, he is a very good coach. An IU team would have never lost a two point lead with the ball.[/quote]

If you think about it, what does PSU do? Not with 34 seconds left, but kind of all the time? Basically stand at the arc, throw it around the arc, and either launch a 3 or have Talor penetrate, who sometimes finishes or kicks it out to guys standing at the arc, and sometimes hands off to AJ, who’s standing a few feet away by then. Any give and go’s? Good pick 'n rolls? Back door runs? Post passes? “An easy basket as they overplay the ball handler.” See NW for example. And what does PSU do? Hmmm…1-21 vs. St Joe’s from the arc. And vs. MD, where Talor was getting mugged(as they overplayed the ball handler)? Go inside where the space is? Nah, go to the arc and go 3-27. Avoid the paint. Avoid getting fouled by a hacking team. Let Talor penetrate and get the the perimeter players the ball. IU is 5th in shooting, NW 6th, PSU 250th+. Hint to the poor shooting team: do more layups and take shorter shots. But not on drives from the arc, but from passes to the inside, give n go’s, pick 'n rolls. Driving from the arc allows teams to recover and you get called for charges, which happened aplenty vs a team we weren’t afraid of going inside on, that powerhouse MSM.


#9
[quote="Great Santini, post:2, topic:1655"]Did you hear Bobby Knight's comment about what a mistake it was for the USC pg to dribble away 20 seconds with everyone standing around? At the time, USC was up two with the ball and 34 seconds to go. [b] Bobby Knight said everyone on the USC team should have been moving because that way you can often get an easy basket as they overplay the ball handler. [/b] USC pg takes a wild shot (he was never going to get a foul called at Kansas), KU goes down and scores; K up 1. USC guy steps on the line. KU gets the ball and is fouled - kid makes a free throw. USC tries a 60 foot three pointer and it misses.

The USC coach blew the game by having four of his players stand around.

As much as I dislike Bobby Knight personally, he is a very good coach. An IU team would have never lost a two point lead with the ball.[/quote]

If you think about it, what does PSU do? Not with 34 seconds left, but kind of all the time? Basically stand at the arc, throw it around the arc, and either launch a 3 or have Talor penetrate, who sometimes finishes or kicks it out to guys standing at the arc, and sometimes hands off to AJ, who’s standing a few feet away by then. Any give and go’s? Good pick 'n rolls? Back door runs? Post passes? “An easy basket as they overplay the ball handler.” See NW for example. And what does PSU do? Hmmm…1-21 vs. St Joe’s from the arc. And vs. MD, where Talor was getting mugged(as they overplayed the ball handler)? Go inside where the space is? Nah, go to the arc and go 3-27. Avoid the paint. Avoid getting fouled by a hacking team. Let Talor penetrate and get the the perimeter players the ball. IU is 5th in shooting, NW 6th, PSU 250th+. Hint to the poor shooting team: do more layups and take shorter shots. But not on drives from the arc, but from passes to the inside, give n go’s, pick 'n rolls. Driving from the arc allows teams to recover and you get called for charges, which happened aplenty vs a team we weren’t afraid of going inside on, that powerhouse MSM.


Do you just copy and paste your posts? Just wondering…