OT: Government Waste. Oy


#1

If Greece isn’t enough to show what happens when the government payrolls balloon out of control, look at this. Is anybody else sick of do nothings getting jobs like this? This job probably pays $400k per year. There are 70,000 people in the Interior Department(that’s 1,400 per state), with a budget of $12 billion. What would happen if they folded it, and states ran the parks in their states?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/while-oil-slick-spread-interior-department-chief-of-staff-rafted-with-wife-in-grand-canyon-.html

On a side note, I have a friend, a former state trooper, retired on a state pension, who then went to work for JetBlue. He since got a job at the Dept of Transportation. Why? Better pay and better benefits. Government workers know where the money is. The private sector is too competitive to get cushy jobs. Know what he does? He flies around the country working with police departments on DUI ticketing, implementation, etc. Due to their regular flying, Federal employees get a guaranteed $600 round trip air fare. He flies every single week. My bet is he makes $85-95k per year(Note:there are 1,680 DOT employees making $170k per year, so I could be low). You think just maybe internet instruction might suffice for police departments nationwide, saving $600 a shot? My friend is probably 1 of 100 people doing this.

Two other points. Why does the Post Office Advertise?

Look at the jobs the SEC is advertising for. Are these salaries unreal or what?

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/Search.aspx?q=&jbf574=SE00&jbf522=&salmin=&salmax=&paygrademin=&paygrademax=&FedEmp=Y&tm=&sort=rv&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=/agency_search.asp&submit1.x=95&submit1.y=12&submit1=Search%20for%20Jobs

Plus, they offer this. Just incredible.

[i]The SEC offers a number of exceptional enhanced pay and benefits plus the standard Federal benefits:

The SEC also has a Student Loan Repayment program for permanent employees. Up to $10,000 a year (60K cap) in student loan repayments for those who meet program criteria.
Paid dental insurance and vision insurance.
Increased agency subsidy for health insurance which supplements your health benefits premiums by $25 for self-only coverage, and $50 for family coverage.
Mass transportation subsidy up to $230 per month.[/i]

Why work anywhere else?


#2

Don’t get me started. The police chief in my town (worst crime is… a traffic violation) makes around 250,000k of hard earned tax dollars. They have recently upgraded the cop cars to Dodge Chargers and SUVs… yeah because you really need to chase all the criminals around here. ::slight_smile:


#3

I live in a small town myself. I imagine a couple of traffic violations makes for a busy day usually. But a few years ago one of the local policemen was killed when a guy at a local hospital escaped. It happens. These guys deserve to be paid well.


#4

I agree with Kid that there is huge excessive spending in our government. It’s a system of “dishonestly” that has spread and spread and spread. We need term limits (2 max) for every political job and total ending of the present lobbying system. Then we need to stop politicians from controlling their own pay/benefit packages.

Having said that some municipalities have very low pay scales for their police. It’s a “shift work” job that has life threatening danger. A local (for me) policeman was killed recently on a traffic stop.

Police will tell you that there is NO “standard” traffic stop.


#5

Greece is just the tip of the iceberg. Portugal, Italy and Spain are following close behind in terms of financial crises. Even rock solid Germany has a lot of towns and cities that are approaching bankruptcy. They say its all because of public sector wages and retirement benefits. That’s probably part of it, but I get the feeling that institutionalized corruption has a lot to do with it, too.


#6

It’s the nature of governmnet, and the social welfare state that’s prevalent throughout Europe. The gov’t gives more and more to it’s people, on the backs of those who have jobs. I’m convinced what happens is that every time the gov’t adds a program, people become dependent and the politicians never have the backbone to cut it away. Therefore, when you get an economic downturn and the revenues dry up, the answer is always to raise taxes. Again, when things pick back up do they ever lower taxes??? nope, they just find more ways to spend.

Greece is finally the first of the “industrial” nations to finally sucumb to the growing pressures of the gov’t spending slope. It will be interesting to see where that goes… There are riots in the streets, but hey… THERE IS NO MORE MONEY!! What do they expect, but they’re so dependent on the gov’t that they don’t know what to do.

Money is power, and we need to keep as much of it with the PEOPLE and not in the gov’t coffers.


#7

Not knowledgeable about the European situation.
But, I see HUGE amounts of corruption and waste/spending in ALL wings of the American political situation.


#8

[quote=“tundra, post:7, topic:1143”]Not knowledgeable about the European situation.
But, I see HUGE amounts of corruption and waste/spending in ALL wings of the American political situation.[/quote]

It’s worse in Europe. There’s another factor in Europe, which, IMO, is equally disturbing. Crony capitalism, which you’re seeing here with the banks, autos, insurance companies, drug companies, etc. In Europe, big companies are coddled, and European banks are allowed to own equities, so Deutsche Bank may own a piece of BMW, Daimler, etc. As the governments don’t want layoffs which would increase unemployment, big companies have struck a deal where they will limit layoffs if there’s no competition, like from startups. I used to deal in computer hardware, and often bought and sold in Europe. There was a company I dealt with in France, which had an unscrupulous CEO, who had gotten into trouble reneging on deals, payment issues, several lawsuits, etc. There was one girl there who I trusted. I wouldn’t deal with anyone else. Well, she phoned me, as the CEO owed her 100,000 francs, about $17,000 at the time, and she wanted me to write a letter for her. She was leaving, and I asked what company she might be going to. Her answer, “you can’t do that in France. You can’t go to a company in the same industry. It’s not allowed.” Companies had the deal where employees could never leave and become a competitor or work for one. Delightful, huh? Imagine if you couldn’t switch jobs in this country within the same industry? Wonderful for career advancement, huh? And yet, the US is heading the same way as Europe. Dumb.

A really amazing US story of people leaving and starting a competitor are the “traitorous 8” who left Shockley Semiconductor in the early 1960’s. They hated working for William Shockley, and went to the funder, Arnold Beckman, to get rid of him. Some startups, huh? Couldn’t happen in Europe. When was the last Yahoo, Google, Microsoft, Intel, HP, Apple started in Europe?

[i]According to authors Joseph Blasi, Douglas Kruse, and Aaron Bernstein, these eight men left because they did not agree with William Shockley’s authoritarian managerial style and his practice of expecting a certain result instead of letting the research guide the process.[2] There is no record of Shockley ever using the term “traitorous eight,” and his wife denied that he ever used it.[3]

The eight employees went to Arnold Beckman and asked him to replace Shockley. Beckman tried to find a new manager and left Shockley as a director with limited powers. As the search dragged on, it became apparent that Beckman could not find a replacement, so he restored Shockley’s responsibilities. The eight men then resigned and signed a research contract with Fairchild Camera and Instrument Corporation to form Fairchild Semiconductor.

Their entrepreneurial desires did not end with Fairchild. Like many other Fairchild employees, seven of the eight went on to found various spinoff companies. These spinoffs and their founders are sometimes known as “Fairchildren”. The most successful were Noyce and Moore, founders of Intel, and Kleiner, co-founder of the Kleiner Perkins venture capital firm. Additionally, Roberts, Hoerni and Last founded what later became Teledyne, while Blank co-founded Xicor. Grinich became a professor at UC Berkeley and Stanford University[/i]

If you think about it, to give Shockley credit, he started Silicon Valley, as he co-won the Nobel Prize for physics at Bell Labs in NJ, for the development of the transistor, the precursor to the semiconductor, but being a Californian, went back home to start his company. As the 8 employees who left, went to California to work for him(Noyce was from Iowa), and while they left the company, never left the state. Can you imagine if they weren’t allowed to quit and begin startups? Might not be a Silicon Valley. That’s what you get in crony capitalism. Lack of mobility. If you’re connected, fine. If not, forget it.


#9

Pennsylvania has a State Senate with 50 Senators. They have a House of Reps, with 203 Reps. Thats a total of 253 State Congressmen.

That is the MOST of ANY state with a full-time Congress (New Hampshire has 400+, but are volunteer, paid only a few hundred bucks per term).

PA Congressmen also rank 2nd (last I heard) in salary.

Put those 2 together, then wonder why the state is hurting finacnially. I also hear about stupid compensations, like getting a per diem for being in Harrisburg… not matter how far they have to travel to get there.


#10

[quote=“Skeeza, post:9, topic:1143”]Pennsylvania has a State Senate with 50 Senators. They have a House of Reps, with 203 Reps. Thats a total of 253 State Congressmen.

That is the MOST of ANY state with a full-time Congress (New Hampshire has 400+, but are volunteer, paid only a few hundred bucks per term).

PA Congressmen also rank 2nd (last I heard) in salary.

Put those 2 together, then wonder why the state is hurting finacnially. I also hear about stupid compensations, like getting a per diem for being in Harrisburg… not matter how far they have to travel to get there.[/quote]

Amen…I had a friend (at the time) who ran for PA house of rep…He told about the salary (large.) Then he told me about the benefits which he believed more the doupled the salary. Then thirdly he said "It’s all the money you can steal."
Good news was that he didn’t win the election.
PS…I love the “monthly CAR Allowance”

I’ll rather worry about PA than Europe. Our system is PLENTY broken! We have no room to talk.


#11

[quote=“Skeeza, post:9, topic:1143”]Pennsylvania has a State Senate with 50 Senators. They have a House of Reps, with 203 Reps. Thats a total of 253 State Congressmen.

That is the MOST of ANY state with a full-time Congress (New Hampshire has 400+, but are volunteer, paid only a few hundred bucks per term).

PA Congressmen also rank 2nd (last I heard) in salary.

Put those 2 together, then wonder why the state is hurting finacnially. I also hear about stupid compensations, like getting a per diem for being in Harrisburg… not matter how far they have to travel to get there.[/quote]
SO instead of dealing with the cost side, Rendell wants to tax video poker and chewing tobacco… >:(

My vote goes to the first candidate for Governor who wants to shut the whole thing down and start over from scratch.


#12

Nebraska has a unicameral sytem. Only 49 Legislators. Congruently, we would save about $400 Million a year by that move alone !!!

What sense does 2 governing bodies make in a State governement anyhow ?!!??!?!


#13

[quote=“Skeeza, post:12, topic:1143”]Nebraska has a unicameral sytem. Only 49 Legislators. Congruently, we would save about $400 Million a year by that move alone !!!

What sense does 2 governing bodies make in a State governement anyhow ?!!??!?! [/quote]


#14
Nebraska has a [b]unicameral sytem[/b]. Only 49 Legislators. Congruently, we would save about $400 Million a year by that move alone !!!

What sense does 2 governing bodies make in a State governement anyhow ?!!??!?!

No doubt, I SUCK at spelling !!! :-[


#15
[quote="Skeeza, post:12, topic:1143"]Nebraska has a [b]unicameral sytem[/b]. Only 49 Legislators. Congruently, we would save about $400 Million a year by that move alone !!!

What sense does 2 governing bodies make in a State governement anyhow ?!!??!?![/quote]

No doubt, I SUCK at spelling !!! :-[

But I think you spelled it right. I guess you not knowing that means that yes, you do really suck at spelling!


#16

Contact your town council and ask what your chief’s salary is. You will learn it’s about a third of the amount you listed.


#17
[quote="Skeeza, post:9, topic:1143"]Pennsylvania has a State Senate with 50 Senators. They have a House of Reps, with 203 Reps. Thats a total of 253 State Congressmen.

That is the MOST of ANY state with a full-time Congress (New Hampshire has 400+, but are volunteer, paid only a few hundred bucks per term).

PA Congressmen also rank 2nd (last I heard) in salary.

Put those 2 together, then wonder why the state is hurting finacnially. I also hear about stupid compensations, like getting a per diem for being in Harrisburg… not matter how far they have to travel to get there.[/quote]
SO instead of dealing with the cost side, Rendell wants to tax video poker and chewing tobacco… >:(

My vote goes to the first candidate for Governor who wants to shut the whole thing down and start over from scratch.

Our governments – at all levels – need to start balancing their budgets and paying down their debts without raising taxes any further. We’ve gotten way off track and need to start moving the right direction before it’s too late.


#18

The sad part is I live in Luzerne County and the politicians are corrupt from the local level on up. Everyone knows here, now everyone knows it all over and when they get replaced they will be just as bad.

If you guys want to read about political corruption type in Luzerne County and Federal Investigation.


#19

[quote=“kidcoyote, post:1, topic:1143”]If Greece isn’t enough to show what happens when the government payrolls balloon out of control, look at this. Is anybody else sick of do nothings getting jobs like this? This job probably pays $400k per year. There are 70,000 people in the Interior Department(that’s 1,400 per state), with a budget of $12 billion. What would happen if they folded it, and states ran the parks in their states?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/while-oil-slick-spread-interior-department-chief-of-staff-rafted-with-wife-in-grand-canyon-.html

On a side note, I have a friend, a former state trooper, retired on a state pension, who then went to work for JetBlue. He since got a job at the Dept of Transportation. Why? Better pay and better benefits. Government workers know where the money is. The private sector is too competitive to get cushy jobs. Know what he does? He flies around the country working with police departments on DUI ticketing, implementation, etc. Due to their regular flying, Federal employees get a guaranteed $600 round trip air fare. He flies every single week. My bet is he makes $85-95k per year(Note:there are 1,680 DOT employees making $170k per year, so I could be low). You think just maybe internet instruction might suffice for police departments nationwide, saving $600 a shot? My friend is probably 1 of 100 people doing this.

Two other points. Why does the Post Office Advertise?

Look at the jobs the SEC is advertising for. Are these salaries unreal or what?

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/Search.aspx?q=&jbf574=SE00&jbf522=&salmin=&salmax=&paygrademin=&paygrademax=&FedEmp=Y&tm=&sort=rv&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=/agency_search.asp&submit1.x=95&submit1.y=12&submit1=Search%20for%20Jobs

Plus, they offer this. Just incredible.

[i]The SEC offers a number of exceptional enhanced pay and benefits plus the standard Federal benefits:

The SEC also has a Student Loan Repayment program for permanent employees. Up to $10,000 a year (60K cap) in student loan repayments for those who meet program criteria.
Paid dental insurance and vision insurance.
Increased agency subsidy for health insurance which supplements your health benefits premiums by $25 for self-only coverage, and $50 for family coverage.
Mass transportation subsidy up to $230 per month.[/i]

Why work anywhere else?[/quote]

I don’t want to defend this guy, but… There is no way that he makes $400k per year. Maybe $180k, maximum. And the SEC pays a lot because, a lot of high paid SEC staff would be making multiples of that on wall street. I’d imagine it’s next to impossible to get any of the jobs that you linked to unless you are an Ivy League PhD or attorney or have worked on wall street


#20

DC, 400k is probably high, but re Wall Street vs. the SEC, I don’t agree. Those SEC salaries start at $126k, up to close to 200k. Not all traders make that, and the trading hours are far in excess of what SEC workers work. And traders make it on bonuses, have modest salaries, and little vacation time, and benefits nowhere near Federal benefits. I mean, $60k in student loan forgiveness? I work on Wall Street. Traders also get fired all the time, have enormous pressure on them sometimes, and continually get squeezed as commissions evaporate. Mortgage traders made a lot, but look what happened there. 2/3 of them lost their jobs.

I doubt the Director makes $180, when the anassociate director for human capital(probably one of 50 associate directors) makes up to that. The dept is looking for 305 employees in Virginia. Will you look at this job description, I mean preserving the Statue of Liberty? Give me a break. I mean, can’t a couple of janitors do that? 1400 employees per state. What the hell could all these people possibly be doing on a daily basis? Looking at porn, that’s what.

http://jobview.usajobs.gov/getjob.aspx?jobid=87796043