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OT - Georgetown - China Fight

I wonder how much money GU is making on this trip???

Take NoTeS blue&white brethren, this is how u $$MARKET$$ a program. B4 u no it G-Town will b producing the best all-asian squads on the east coast and tapping into that chinese $$$$. They could single handedly reverse the trade deficit and win a record number of titles in one fell swoop.

Really though, weird story. Their trip is only half over, also. Not sure how you could send your kids back out there, pretty scary stuff to experience so far away from home.

Some more information leaking out now. An account from somebody on a scout message board which seems pretty accurate when compared with the video clip that leaked. Celebrity Videos | TMZ.com

Someone on the IU Scout board posted this account of it, not sure where he got it: "So, tonight's game...we started out behind and were having trouble moving the ball around. The PLA team's big men actually matched up with us pretty well and they played solid defense early on. We were quickly in foul trouble and they moved to the line pretty often, although it wasn't that notable at the time. Then in the second quarter we made a nice run, started hitting open shots, and played really nice defense and forced some turnovers- truly fun to watch and gives us some hope for the regular season. I believe we were down 5 at the end of the first, and then we built a 6-point lead. Then things got really lopsided on the officiating front in the second quarter. They were in the bonus (five fouls) in the first two minutes of the quarter. The fouls continued- I think we had about 12-14 in the second quarter alone, if I had to guess without seeing a stat sheet (which I doubt will be published). On a couple of plays there was a bit of shoving under the basket, but it calmed down fairly quickly, JT3 clearly called the team over and probably said something along the lines that the officiating was ridiculous, but it didn't matter and everyone needed to stay cool. Then JT3 became more active in pushing the refs for some calls on our end (we were getting mauled, and the PLA team was getting a call basically every time down the court). Despite all of this, we finished the half up 4 or 5- we were shooting really well. The whole thing came undone in the third. About two minutes in, the ridiculously lopsided foul calls continued (we were in the bonus again 2 1/2 minutes in) and the first real shoving match kicked off over a loose ball. The players on the court separated each other pretty quickly, but then the craziest thing I've ever seen happened- one of the Bayi big men got in JT3's face and almost took a swing. He was so shocked he didn't know what to do. So that upped the ante a bit. Then the foul calls truly took on a comical dimension. We supposedly fouled them every time down the court, despite some really good defense on some possessions. There were four or five intentional fouls called, giving them four shots each time down the court. JT3 was called for a technical for stepping over the line onto the court. I counted Bayi scoring two field goals in the entire third quarter. I don't know what the count was, but I would not be surprised if they shot 45-50 FTs through three quarters, and we shot 6-10. I honestly think the foul count was likely in the range of 30 or 35 to 5-7. A few exchanges got testy and at one point players had to restrain themselves again. I started joking with some Chinese people in the crowd, who to their credit similarly thought it was a bit ridiculous but were mainly upset that the game had no flow. At the end of the third, despite all of this, we were tied or up two points or so. Two minutes into the fourth, they were pressing full court, trapped one of our guards (I forget who it was), and then must have pushed or punched him on the ground after he made the outlet pass, because then there was a shoving match and then a bit of a fight, and then the whole thing set off. He tried to get away as quickly as possible as the Chinese players sort of converged on him, and then benches cleared, and then people on the Chinese bench started picking up chairs. Everyone on the other side of the court started fighting as well. Brawl spread all over the court, and then off the court. After it kicked off it immediately became possible for the crowd to get involved, and then they did. As we tried to get the team off the court, bottles (plastic ones, thankfully) came out of the crowd at the team and everyone left. Security was there (sort of), but it was more equivalent to mall cop-quality security rather than actual security. The Georgetown staff wanted the security to get on the floor, but honestly these guys didn't have a clue what to do. They escorted the whole alumni contingent out fairly quickly after that. Game over, 64-64 (following another intentional foul). I don't know how much news this will make, but even given my admittedly partisan view of how this played out, this was really not our fault. The refs completely failed to control the game, and these things happen when they can continue to maul us underneath with no consequences. The coaching staff called the whole team over at several times during the game and calmed everyone down. We didn't throw any punches and players and coaches were generally just laughing at the absurdity of the officiating at times. Anyway, not exactly what I was expecting to see tonight..."

Hawaii team embraced!

http://www.warriorinsider.com/2011/08/chinese-fans-embrace-the-warriors/

Duke is presently touring China.

This is all very reminiscent of the 1972 Olympics.

There are 2 things that are very disturbing about this story.

  • One is the opponent. From the article, "Bayi (Bayi Military Rockets) is a military team in the Chinese Basketball Association whose players serve in the Chinese army … " I can tell you that this is not a blip on the radar. The aggressive additude those army players had toward the American team in a signal to what is being put into their head in their military training. Guess who is being highlighted as a real, prime, number one military threat ?

  • Two is the crowd reaction. That was an absolute mob scene. Could you feel the hatred from them? …and what for?

I wouldn’t commit much geopolitical analysis on this incident. Given the rampant corruption in China, it’s possible the refs had been bought off to throw the game. The crowd reacted much as would any mob in those circumstances (unfortunately).

I’m sure there will be more police presence at Georgetown’s final two games, and this incident will properly pass into the dustbin of small history.

The analysis you can put on the fight is those Chinese players were ready to throw down in a blink of an eye. There is one guy who charges off the bench faster than anybody else, and he isn’t even in a basketball uniform (a coach or manager, maybe). He immediately begins kicking/stomping a G’Town player who is already on the ground. The Chinese players also attacked the G’Town players in packs, and then once a G’Town guy was down, they would continue going at him. The Chinese bench was much quicker to react to the fight, and also closer to the action. Once the G’Town bench made it to the court, then the Chinese players grabbed chairs as weapons and began throwing them.

While I don’t think they were planning to start a fight before the game, I really have to wonder if at some point during the game, they decided this was going to happen. It was either that, or their military training has them wired to react extremely quickly, and in a calculated manner. Probably a little bit of both.

The other thing to note here is G’Town is a young team. This was a fight with 18/19 year olds going against grown men with military training. Really crazy, and must have been terrifying for those kids for something to happen like this so far from home, in an area where you have no friends (save a few alumni who travlled to see the games).

[quote=“NICU, post:9, topic:2607”]The analysis you can put on the fight is those Chinese players were ready to throw down in a blink of an eye. There is one guy who charges off the bench faster than anybody else, and he isn’t even in a basketball uniform (a coach or manager, maybe). He immediately begins kicking/stomping a G’Town player who is already on the ground. The Chinese players also attacked the G’Town players in packs, and then once a G’Town guy was down, they would continue going at him. The Chinese bench was much quicker to react to the fight, and also closer to the action. Once the G’Town bench made it to the court, then the Chinese players grabbed chairs as weapons and began throwing them.

While I don’t think they were planning to start a fight before the game, I really have to wonder if at some point during the game, they decided this was going to happen. It was either that, or their military training has them wired to react extremely quickly, and in a calculated manner. Probably a little bit of both.

The other thing to note here is G’Town is a young team. This was a fight with 18/19 year olds going against grown men with military training. Really crazy, and must have been terrifying for those kids for something to happen like this so far from home, in an area where you have no friends (save a few alumni who travlled to see the games).[/quote]
I think it’s more simple.

They hated the Americans. They may not have been planning a fight, but I think they were wanting one.

It may be fore any reason… maybe the coach got them too fired up playing the “American”. I’ll bet you it’s something else. I can tell you from being in the military, you are focus on a certain “enemy”, be it the Russian, the terrorist, or whomever it may be. I can bet you that in the current Chinese military, everything is geared towards the “Americans”. That’s why they are so fired up.

If you want to try using other inaccurate military stereotypes, ask yourself where the usual “military discipline” was at?

Starting next game for Georgetown…

at center…Dikembe Mutombo - wait until the Chinese get a few fingers waived their way

at power forward…Patrick Ewing

at (not so) small forward…Alonzo Mourning

at shooting guard…Michael Graham (not sure he can shoot, but it doesn’t matter when you have…)

at point guard…Allen Iverson

performing at halftime…Michael Jackson (well, Georgetown’s version might not be able to sing, but it will further confuse the Chinese and maybe take their focus off the game).

Let’s see the Chinese try anything on these guys.

The analysis you can put on the fight is those Chinese players were ready to throw down in a blink of an eye. There is one guy who charges off the bench faster than anybody else, and he isn't even in a basketball uniform (a coach or manager, maybe). He immediately begins kicking/stomping a G'Town player who is already on the ground. The Chinese players also attacked the G'Town players in packs, and then once a G'Town guy was down, they would continue going at him. The Chinese bench was much quicker to react to the fight, and also closer to the action. Once the G'Town bench made it to the court, then the Chinese players grabbed chairs as weapons and began throwing them.

While I don’t think they were planning to start a fight before the game, I really have to wonder if at some point during the game, they decided this was going to happen. It was either that, or their military training has them wired to react extremely quickly, and in a calculated manner. Probably a little bit of both.

The other thing to note here is G’Town is a young team. This was a fight with 18/19 year olds going against grown men with military training. Really crazy, and must have been terrifying for those kids for something to happen like this so far from home, in an area where you have no friends (save a few alumni who travlled to see the games).


I think it’s more simple.

They hated the Americans. They may not have been planning a fight, but I think they were wanting one.

It may be fore any reason… maybe the coach got them too fired up playing the “American”. I’ll bet you it’s something else. I can tell you from being in the military, you are focus on a certain “enemy”, be it the Russian, the terrorist, or whomever it may be. I can bet you that in the current Chinese military, everything is geared towards the “Americans”. That’s why they are so fired up.

If you want to try using other inaccurate military stereotypes, ask yourself where the usual “military discipline” was at?

The use of the word “wired” might not have been the best to use. I don’t think I was using a military stereotype at all, but rather saying the same thing you are. At some point it is possible that the Chinese team determined a fight was likely to happen (or that they wanted to fight), and they were able to very quickly and accurately act accordingly when the time came (I would imagine part of their training is how to respond/act to combat, but I might be way off). The Chinese bench players all instantly stormed the court and swarmed the G’Town players. You can see 3-4 Chinese players swarming one G’Town player on several occasions. On the flip side, the G’Town players were slower to respond and running around very helter skelter.

Another, more innocent, cause might be that in college basketball we frequently see players foul harder than required or players getting in each others faces after hard fouls, and nothing comes of it other than posturing. That might not happen in the Chinese league, so the Chinese players might have felt as though the only outcome of such an action was a fight. Another possibility is in the NBA (not exactly sure about college) the bench players are forbidden from leaving the area during a fight. That might explain why the G’Town players were much slower to respond. I highly doubt they thought the foul in the back court was going to have such wild consequences.

[quote=“NittanyIllini, post:11, topic:2607”]Starting next game for Georgetown…

at center…Dikembe Mutombo - wait until the Chinese get a few fingers waived their way

at power forward…Patrick Ewing

at (not so) small forward…Alonzo Mourning

at shooting guard…Michael Graham (not sure he can shoot, but it doesn’t matter when you have…)

at point guard…Allen Iverson

performing at halftime…Michael Jackson (well, Georgetown’s version might not be able to sing, but it will further confuse the Chinese and maybe take their focus off the game).

Let’s see the Chinese try anything on these guys.[/quote]

Um, do you remember the fight with Grandmama? Zo is big and intimidating, but that might be it…

I have a personal stake in this because my two children were adopted from China (one in 2006 and 2007) and most of the Chinese people my wife and I encountered were friendly and very positive about what we were doing. I sensed that whatever the differences with our governments and militarily, the Chinese people actually like Americans, and to some extent wanted to impress us.

A funny story about that, my daughter (who we adopted first) has light brown hair (she was actually in the ‘special needs’ adoption program, because the orphanage thought she had albinism). When we went back for my son, people thought she was an American child, and several Chinese in Beijing asked to take pictures of her or pose for pictures with her.

I had the pleaure to visit china. I never sensed any hostility towards americans. Our countires have an interesting relationship, but between peoples, I have never seen anything but friendly.

I also heard the anchor on GMA mention this morning that this Chinese team has a reputation for thuggery and rough play within their local leagues, for whatever that’s worth.

Starting next game for Georgetown...

at center…Dikembe Mutombo - wait until the Chinese get a few fingers waived their way

at power forward…Patrick Ewing

at (not so) small forward…Alonzo Mourning

at shooting guard…Michael Graham (not sure he can shoot, but it doesn’t matter when you have…)

at point guard…Allen Iverson

performing at halftime…Michael Jackson (well, Georgetown’s version might not be able to sing, but it will further confuse the Chinese and maybe take their focus off the game).

Let’s see the Chinese try anything on these guys.

Um, do you remember the fight with Grandmama? Zo is big and intimidating, but that might be it…

YouTube

The only one I haven’t met or gotten to know out of the six listed is Michael Graham. As for the other five, I don’t think any of them would ever fight, including Iverson…but the intimidation factor would be off the map. Five Yao Mings might be needed to counter-balance that edge.

Regardless, of what I know about the Chinese people, I have to think that this will be an isolated incidence or at least I hope it will be.

[quote="NittanyIllini, post:11, topic:2607"]Starting next game for Georgetown...

at center…Dikembe Mutombo - wait until the Chinese get a few fingers waived their way

at power forward…Patrick Ewing

at (not so) small forward…Alonzo Mourning

at shooting guard…Michael Graham (not sure he can shoot, but it doesn’t matter when you have…)

at point guard…Allen Iverson

performing at halftime…Michael Jackson (well, Georgetown’s version might not be able to sing, but it will further confuse the Chinese and maybe take their focus off the game).

Let’s see the Chinese try anything on these guys.[/quote]

Um, do you remember the fight with Grandmama? Zo is big and intimidating, but that might be it…

YouTube

The only one I haven’t met or gotten to know out of the six listed is Michael Graham. As for the other five, I don’t think any of them would ever fight, including Iverson…but the intimidation factor would be off the map. Five Yao Mings might be needed to counter-balance that edge.

Regardless, of what I know about the Chinese people, I have to think that this will be an isolated incidence or at least I hope it will be.

That’s awesome, and I agree about the intimidation. I loved the Zo vs. Grandmama fight. It was almost mind boggling that two huge, intimidating dudes could look so ridiculous in a fight.

I should also clarify that I am not necessarily agreeing with Skeeza that the reason for the fight was because the team hated Americans. Based on the clip, though, I do think that through the course of the game some thing(s) made the team welcome an opportunity to throw down.

It’s not completely isolated.

China vs Brazil

The coach of this Chinese team is American. His interview after this fight made my jaw drop even more than the actual rumble.

[quote=“NittanyIllini, post:11, topic:2607”]Starting next game for Georgetown…

at center…Dikembe Mutombo - wait until the Chinese get a few fingers waived their way

at power forward…Patrick Ewing

at (not so) small forward…Alonzo Mourning

at shooting guard…Michael Graham (not sure he can shoot, but it doesn’t matter when you have…)

at point guard…Allen Iverson

performing at halftime…Michael Jackson (well, Georgetown’s version might not be able to sing, but it will further confuse the Chinese and maybe take their focus off the game).

Let’s see the Chinese try anything on these guys.[/quote]

Why not just over the early 1990’s Detroit Pistons or late 1990s New York Knicks?

No Chinese tour team would be complete without Ron Artest, Rasheed Wallace, and Charles Barkley

Michael Graham was one of my all-time favorite players. I loved the way he played. I’d take a guy like him on my team anytime.