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OT - Blast from the Past - Jewish Jordan


#1

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Catching-up-with-Tamir-Goodman-aka-The-Jewish-?urn=ncaab-313307


#2

Art Heyman - from Duke played for the Pittsburgh Pipers of the ABA. He was well know for being a top Jewish player.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Heyman


#3

[quote=“tundra, post:2, topic:1848”]Art Heyman - from Duke played for the Pittsburgh Pipers of the ABA. He was well know for being a top Jewish player.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Heyman
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Back when New York City was the center of college basketball there were a lot of Jewish players. Back when the NIT was THE tournament, Jewish players made up the majority of rosters of the NYC powerhouses like NYU and CCNY. Heyman played at Duke in the 60s but came out of the NYC school system. Other Jewish notables include Larry Brown and Dolph Schayes.


#4

http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-jewish-basketball-players-ever.html


#5

[quote=“tundra, post:4, topic:1848”]http://www.mademan.com/mm/10-best-jewish-basketball-players-ever.html

How could I have forgotten Nancy Liebermann? :-[[/quote]


#6

The Pgh area was also very strong with Jewish basketball players in the 40s and 50s! My 3 uncles (mother’s side) were all star HS/college athletes. One was 6-6 and went to a Five 5 school on scholorship. Anyway, I grew up hearing stories of the top PA hoopers from their era. Many were Jewish.


#7
[quote="tundra, post:2, topic:1848"]Art Heyman - from Duke played for the Pittsburgh Pipers of the ABA. He was well know for being a top Jewish player. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Heyman]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Heyman[/url][/quote]

Back when New York City was the center of college basketball there were a lot of Jewish players. Back when the NIT was THE tournament, Jewish players made up the majority of rosters of the NYC powerhouses like NYU and CCNY. Heyman played at Duke in the 60s but came out of the NYC school system. Other Jewish notables include Larry Brown and Dolph Schayes.

This is an example that I usually bring up when it comes to stereotyping.

It was once said, during this era, that Jews would always dominate basketball because they were just smarter than others. Times change, opinions change, and what was once thought of as undeniable truth melts away to a different era. White quarterbacks, black running backs, Asian golfers, latino baseball players… Do they really have attributes that make them destine to dominate their particular field, or is it a situational thing where they are seen as the best at that time?


#8

Joe Paterno once caught a little flak from the politically correct crowd when he said that basketball was primarily a Jewish game in the 40’s and 50’s, but he was right, particularly as it applied to the NYC area in those days.


#9

…one other thing I have to point out, it’s just a pet peeve of mine as far as journalism…

I don’t like when someone really, really stretches the truth just to make a point. There comes a time where it boarders on a flat out lie.

From the article…

...For Goodman, Saturday was and still is a day of rest, not basketball.

That was a slight problem for a basketball powerhouse in the ACC. On a roster of only about a dozen players, how could coach Gary Williams afford to have someone on scholarship that only played in around half the games?..

AROUND HALF THE GAMES !!! When you watch the SportsCenter clip on the same subject, they said that Maryland had 5(FIVE) games scheduled for Saturday the following season !!!

5 games = half the season ??!??!? >:(


#10

I look around the landscape of youth basketball in Atlanta and must say that I find some of the most talented kids coming from the Jewish community. In our YMCA (yes…Young Men’s CHRISTIAN Association) league, the best player is on my son’s team and is a Jewish point guard that people just shake their head when they see him play. It’s quite stunning actually. Another church league that we play against, two Jewish kids rule that league, as point guards for their respective teams.

Then why don’t we see more Jewish kids at the next level…college/pro?

Allow me to answer my own question ;D

It seems height has something to do with it, especially for some of these uber-talented point guards. Also, Jewish parents aren’t as hell-bent on seeing their kids focus on just making their high school/college basketball team. Dads might be, but the moms/grandparents are more about their education and becoming doctors and lawyers and such, over professional athletes. And Jews also want their kids to get into the best colleges for academic purposes and won’t want to send them to Podunk State just because Podunk State offered their kid a full ride. That’s why you’ll see Jews tear up the intramural courts at places like Syracuse, over the varsity courts at Oswego State. Nothing against Oswego State, but you get my drift.

And yes, I am Jewish and had a great, great uncle who was one of the team managers for the Original Celtics with Joe Lapchick (not Jewish) and Nat Holman (Jewish and should have been considered for the Top Ten list). Oh the stories he would tell. I wish I would have taped them before he passed on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Celtics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Holman


#11

Yea, he was exactly right on that one. It’s a shame the PC crowd gets so riled up when they think something’s over the line when it’s the truth. If you guys are interested in the Jewish roots in basketball, check out the documentary The First Basket. It’s an excellent documentary and talks about the roots of the game and talks about it’s history in NYC. It hit home with my uncle when he saw his father in one of the pictures for one of the rec leagues.

Also, Amare Stoudemire is barely a Jew according (rating a 5) to JeworNotJew.com.


#12
[quote="Evan Ceg, post:8, topic:1848"]Joe Paterno once caught a little flak from the politically correct crowd when he said that basketball was primarily a Jewish game in the 40's and 50's, but he was right, particularly as it applied to the NYC area in those days.[/quote] Yea, he was exactly right on that one. It's a shame the PC crowd gets so riled up when they think something's over the line when it's the truth. If you guys are interested in the Jewish roots in basketball, check out the documentary [url=http://www.thefirstbasket.com/]The First Basket[/url]. It's an excellent documentary and talks about the roots of the game and talks about it's history in NYC. It hit home with my uncle when he saw his father in one of the pictures for one of the rec leagues.

Also, Amare Stoudemire is barely a Jew according (rating a 5) to JeworNotJew.com.

You could re-write Adam Sandler’s “Hanukkah Song” for basketball.

“Jordan Farmar, lights the Manorah…
Ernie Grunfeld, was a double digit score-ah…”


#13

Thanks psno1. I did not know about this documentary.

And you are correct. If something is the truth, it is the truth. And growing up in Brooklyn in the 1930’s and 40’s as my mom did, Joe speaks the truth.


#14
[quote="Evan Ceg, post:8, topic:1848"]Joe Paterno once caught a little flak from the politically correct crowd when he said that basketball was primarily a Jewish game in the 40's and 50's, but he was right, particularly as it applied to the NYC area in those days.[/quote] Yea, he was exactly right on that one. It's a shame the PC crowd gets so riled up when they think something's over the line when it's the truth. If you guys are interested in the Jewish roots in basketball, check out the documentary [url=http://www.thefirstbasket.com/]The First Basket[/url]. It's an excellent documentary and talks about the roots of the game and talks about it's history in NYC. It hit home with my uncle when he saw his father in one of the pictures for one of the rec leagues.

Also, Amare Stoudemire is barely a Jew according (rating a 5) to JeworNotJew.com.

Some people thought Ben Luber was Jewish when he played here (they never looked at his arm too closely though).


#15
[quote="Evan Ceg, post:8, topic:1848"]Joe Paterno once caught a little flak from the politically correct crowd when he said that basketball was primarily a Jewish game in the 40's and 50's, but he was right, particularly as it applied to the NYC area in those days.[/quote] Yea, he was exactly right on that one. It's a shame the PC crowd gets so riled up when they think something's over the line when it's the truth. If you guys are interested in the Jewish roots in basketball, check out the documentary [url=http://www.thefirstbasket.com/]The First Basket[/url]. It's an excellent documentary and talks about the roots of the game and talks about it's history in NYC. It hit home with my uncle when he saw his father in one of the pictures for one of the rec leagues.

Also, Amare Stoudemire is barely a Jew according (rating a 5) to JeworNotJew.com.

Some people thought Ben Luber was Jewish when he played here (they never looked at his arm too closely though).

It’s funny you mention that Lar. In Luber’s very first game against the Illini, my wife asked me if he was Jewish. I did not know that answer, then they showed a close-up of that tattoo you speak of.


#16
[quote="Evan Ceg, post:8, topic:1848"]Joe Paterno once caught a little flak from the politically correct crowd when he said that basketball was primarily a Jewish game in the 40's and 50's, but he was right, particularly as it applied to the NYC area in those days.[/quote] Yea, he was exactly right on that one. It's a shame the PC crowd gets so riled up when they think something's over the line when it's the truth. If you guys are interested in the Jewish roots in basketball, check out the documentary [url=http://www.thefirstbasket.com/]The First Basket[/url]. It's an excellent documentary and talks about the roots of the game and talks about it's history in NYC. It hit home with my uncle when he saw his father in one of the pictures for one of the rec leagues.

Also, Amare Stoudemire is barely a Jew according (rating a 5) to JeworNotJew.com.

Some people thought Ben Luber was Jewish when he played here (they never looked at his arm too closely though).

Perhaps ethnic Jewish if not practicing Jewish. Maybe half Jewish?


#17

I think Luber played professionally in Israel briefly. That only sparked more speculation that he had a Jewish background.


#18

Jon Scheyer, who played at Duke, is also Jewish.