[quote="psu_DC, post:6, topic:983"]Sounds like an AD who is attentive to the alumni base and explains himself well. I like the part about no NCAA in six years not being good enough. Curley sent a text message full of bs to explain keeping a coach who is roughly the equivalent of lebo. Of course, Auburn, AL is a hot metropolis where recruiting is easy. Auburn doesn't have the geograhic excuse that Curley apologists hide behind. Oh wait yes they do. They just don't wave a white flag at the faintest hint of needing to try a different approach[/quote]
Do you actually pay attention to what the real geography issue is or do you just dismiss it because it doesn’t fit your argument?
Auburn AL is smack in the middle of the SEC and does not have the geography issue that Penn State has.
your argument about Auburn simply has a false consequent. Auburn has every issue that Penn State has geographically.
I see that the fringe of a conference border has now become the geographic excuse du jour, as the ag school argument has been proven devoid of any actual substance. If the conference border argument held true, Arkansas, Iowa, Texas Tech, and Washington State would never climb out of the basement of their conferences. But all have had more success than Penn State in the past. You present this as an absolute truth, that no school in America has Penn State’s geographic situation.
you are right. No other university in America can claim that they are the largest BCS-conference school in the entire northeast. Winning in revenue sports should be a cinch here. Most of us counter your argument by noting that Penn State has simply never made the effort in men’s basketball by hiring a coach that could sell the program. We have multiple examples to counter your geographic theory. There is no example to counter our argument that Penn State is losing because they aren’t trying to find the program a good coach.
We haven’t seen them make any effort at all to find a good coach since the day Parkhill left. If some day I see a very energetic, charismatic young, bright basketball mind come to coach at Penn State and leave as a failure 7 years later, then I will buy into your geographic argument.
Again, the issue isn’t that we are on the border or fringe of our conference. The issue is that we are in the middle of another conference; in our case, the Big East. Auburn is in the state of Alabama. Alabama has two major conference schools in it - both of which are in the SEC. If you are a kid growing up in Alabama and want to play major college basketball you will naturally lean toward an SEC school.
Frankly, I don’t even understand how you claim that Auburn has “every issue that Penn State has geographically”. Alabama is bordered by four states (Miss, Tenn, GA, Fla), ALL of which have an SEC school in them. PA is bordered by seven states (Ohio, NY, NJ, Del, Va, Md, WV), only one of which has a B10 school in it (but most of which have a Big East school). Also no other Big Six conference has a school in Alabama, but the Big East has two schools in PA. There’s no way that Auburn has the same geography challenges that PSU does.
A similar story can be told for every other one of your examples.
Arkansas - has the state to itself and has five fellow SEC schools bordering it (Vandy, Tenn, Miss, Miss St, LSU)
Iowa - shares the state with one Big 12 school but has four B10 schools bordering it (Minn, Wis, Ill, NW)
Texas Tech - has no other major conference in state, has three fellow B12 members in state (Baylor, Texas, Tex A&M), and two B12 schools bordering it (Okla, Ok State)
Washington St - has no other major conference in state, has on fellow Pac10 member in state (Wash), and two Pac10 schools bordering it (Oregon, Oregon St).
You can paint a nice contiguous conference map for every one of those schools. When you try to paint a contiguous Big Ten conference map that includes PSU, you get a pretty ugly chunk taken out of it with two Big East schools, Pitt and West Virginia, between us and Ohio State.
PSU is in a pretty unique situation - and it’s not good unique. There are some schools that have similar situations (some of the most recent Big East members and Boston College in the ACC) but those are recent happenings and only time will tell what the long term impact will be on those schools (as you might guess, I think not good).