Jerry Sandusky - all relevant threads consolidated

[mjg]

I didn't quite phrase that right. I don't think the survey was given to specific people who were in the jury pool. I think it was given to the population in general and the defense team is using it to get a feel for what the jury pool might think (clearly, they aren't surveying people in Erie to serve on a jury in Harrisburg)

Note: Now that I read it in a bit more detail, it seems like it was more of a report that came out around the time of the Freeh Report. Still it's something that the defense team might have considered when opting to plea.

Okay, so a bunch of Pitt, Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, etc. fans answered the survey and gave PSU as black of an eye as they could when answering. Plus if it was right after Freeh, a lot of Penn Stater's might have given the same answers too. I'd like to see this same survey now. I know a lot of Penn State haters would still answer that the same way even if they don't really believe it.

[tjb]

Sari Soffer (SariSoffer)

'Coach is anxious:' Tim Curley takes the stand at Graham Spanier's trial

[UncleLar]

twitter.com

Sari Soffer (SariSoffer)

"I pled guilty because I felt like I should have done more" - Tim Curley in Spanier trial abt Sandusky case. Curley ?ing over, break til 2

12:29 PM - 22 Mar 2017

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'Coach is anxious:' Tim Curley takes the stand at Graham Spanier's trial

Curley is a key prosecution witness.

Exactly what I expected him to say.

[UncleLar]

Interesting article on how the law is being run over roughshod in this case.

How Bad Case Law Made In Philly Came Back to Haunt Graham Spanier

[tjb]

At some point, I believe, there was some hope that they had reported it anyway.

Sari Soffer (SariSoffer)

[UncleLar]

twitter.com

Sari Soffer (SariSoffer)

Curley admits no one to his knowledge contacted DPW or police about McQueery seeing Sandusky in shower in 2001 @abc27News

That was the tinfoil crew.

Curley has also testified that Paterno was the one that used the term horseplay when he called the meeting about the shower incident.

[UncleLar]

Curley has also testified that Paterno was the one that used the term horseplay when he called the meeting about the shower incident.

That would be consistent with Courtney's testimony yesterday that when Schultz called him to research the incident he referred to it as horseplay.

[UncleLar]

Sari Soffer (SariSoffer)

[tjb]

I think the defense has not questioned Curley yet - or at least I hope given that there doesn't seem to be much important stuff covered.

[tjb]

Former PSU AD Tim Curley testifies in Spanier trial, denies hearing about a sex...

So the questions raised are:

Was there a communications gap between what McQueary felt he saw and what he conveyed to Paterno -- whom he has described as someone he was hesitant to discuss sexual issues with?

Were Curley and Schultz eager to adopt Paterno's terms, either because it was more comfortable for everyone going forward, or because McQueary didn't do an effective enough job in coloring in the details?

Whatever the case, two other witnesses who heard retellings of the incident from Curley and Schultz also testified Tuesday that they were not made definitely aware the incident was a sexual assault.

What Curley testified that he felt he was dealing with with Sandusky, he said, were "boundary issues."

I would add that Paterno's initial report might have "anchored" the issue for Curley.

The Anchoring Trap

How would you answer these two questions?

1. Is the population of Turkey greater than 35 million?

2. What’s your best estimate of Turkey’s population?

If you’re like most people, the figure of 35 million cited in the first question (a figure we chose arbitrarily) influenced your answer to the second question. Over the years, we’ve posed those questions to many groups of people. In half the cases, we used 35 million in the first question; in the other half, we used 100 million. Without fail, the answers to the second question increase by many millions when the larger figure is used in the first question. This simple test illustrates the common and often pernicious mental phenomenon known as anchoring. When considering a decision, the mind gives disproportionate weight to the first information it receives. Initial impressions, estimates, or data anchor subsequent thoughts and judgments.

From

The Hidden Traps in Decision Making

[tjb]

I would add that Paterno's initial report might have "anchored" the issue for Curley.

Better on "anchoring":

Anchoring

Similarly, the public has been "anchored" by the presentment's characterization of McQueary's eyewitness testimony as observing an anal rape.

This has juiced both the outrage of outsiders angry with the Penn State Three and insiders angry that McQueary did not employ vigilante justice or intercede.

[MarkH]

That was an interesting read. That is how I have been thinking about this trial myself. He's being held to a standard in the law that didn't exist at the time the event took place.

BTW this quote was interesting:

The irony is that on the same day Spanier went on trial for allegedly violating a state law that doesn't apply to him, the man behind the making of that bad case law -- Philadelphia District Attorney Rufus Seth Williams -- was indicted by the feds on 23 counts of bribery, extortion, honest services fraud, and wire fraud.

Williams was USG president my Freshman year. Another (no so) proud PSU moment.

[tjb]

Sari Soffer (SariSoffer)

Jack Stripling (jackstripling)

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[UncleLar]

State has rested. From all the second hand reports I've read, I don't see how the state has come anywhere near building a case. You don't get directed verdicts very often, but if this were anything other than a child molestation case, I'd almost expect the judge to throw it out.

[tjb]

but if this were anything other than a child molestation case

Animal welfare, maybe. Not kidding.

[UncleLar]

Animal welfare, maybe. Not kidding.

True

[mjg]

State has rested. From all the second hand reports I've read, I don't see how the state has come anywhere near building a case. You don't get directed verdicts very often, but if this were anything other than a child molestation case, I'd almost expect the judge to throw it out.

And some of the second hand reports are coming from writers that are often viewed as "anti Penn State" (although anyone not "pro Penn State" is considered to be against us). That tells me there isn't a biased slant to the reporting.

[tjb]

I sure don't expect Curley or Schultz to state that they knew that what McQueary was referring to was a sexual act and that they relayed that info to Spanier.

Lar FTW.

[tjb]

Two days and done: A look at the strengths, holes of prosecution case against...

[JakkL]

Did John Doe testify that he was abused in the PSU showers? If so, was it before or after JS was banned? Or did it occur in the hotel that JS used after the ban?