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General Big Ten Basketball News Thread


#1

Not sure if this is appropriate, but all misc. Big Ten basketball news can go here. Commitments, transfers, coaching, etc. Big news will probably get its own thread, but this can be for all the smaller stuff. No one likes an uninformed fan. :wink:

Starting off:

Northwestern’s John Shurna removes name from NBA Draft: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/news/story?id=6508141&campaign=rss&source=ESPNUHeadlines

Illinois got a 2011 commitment today from Djimde (6’8 Center): http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/news/story?id=6507407

Also, there are Tubby Smith rumors (what else is new?) orbiting around the Maryland job. There are a ton of links for this.


#2

Minnesota’s Ralph Sampson III staying in draft: http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-golden-gophers/2011/5/8/2160662/ralph-sampson-iii-nba-draft-early-entry-gophers


#3

Um, wow. I realize at 6’11, he has good size to play in NBA. His stats don’t exactly scream at you. His Junior year he averaged 10 points and 5 rebounds a game. Above average shot blocker. Seems like an odd choice for RS III. I just looked due to curiosity, he was relatively invisible vs Penn State this past year.


#4
[quote="noobd, post:2, topic:2373"]Minnesota's Ralph Sampson III staying in draft: [url=http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-golden-gophers/2011/5/8/2160662/ralph-sampson-iii-nba-draft-early-entry-gophers]http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-golden-gophers/2011/5/8/2160662/ralph-sampson-iii-nba-draft-early-entry-gophers[/url][/quote]

Um, wow. I realize at 6’11, he has good size to play in NBA. His stats don’t exactly scream at you. His Junior year he averaged 10 points and 5 rebounds a game. Above average shot blocker. Seems like an odd choice for RS III. I just looked due to curiosity, he was relatively invisible vs Penn State this past year.

Well, not quite 6-11. To me he does not quite seem NBA ready…but…I never thought Luke Walton would make a NBA team. So, maybe, his “name” will count for something.

http://thehoopsreport.com/nets-combine-measurements.aspx


#5

This is starting to tell me that Tubby might not be back in 2011-12.


#6

Can you imagine what it’s like to be 6’11" and still be five inches shorter than your Dad? Holy cow. Wonder if his nickname in his Dad’s house was “Little Ralph.”


#7
[quote="noobd, post:2, topic:2373"]Minnesota's Ralph Sampson III staying in draft: [url=http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-golden-gophers/2011/5/8/2160662/ralph-sampson-iii-nba-draft-early-entry-gophers]http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-golden-gophers/2011/5/8/2160662/ralph-sampson-iii-nba-draft-early-entry-gophers[/url][/quote]

Um, wow. I realize at 6’11, he has good size to play in NBA. His stats don’t exactly scream at you. His Junior year he averaged 10 points and 5 rebounds a game. Above average shot blocker. Seems like an odd choice for RS III. I just looked due to curiosity, he was relatively invisible vs Penn State this past year.

Seriously, this is nuts. I would guess he’ll go in the second round simply because of his size, but the kid is not an NBA player right now. IMO, he’s not even close. He was so soft in any game I saw him in. He’s also far to interested in willing to chuck up a three, at a rate of basically one per game this year. We’re not talking about Dirk Nowitzki here.


#8

I don’t think he is as good as Cal, but Cal made many millions in an important niche role in the NBA. Just because you’re not a lottery pick doesn’t mean it might not make sense to go.

If anyone wants to untangle all those negatives to make a clearer statement, have at it. :slight_smile:


#9
[quote="noobd, post:2, topic:2373"]Minnesota's Ralph Sampson III staying in draft: [url=http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-golden-gophers/2011/5/8/2160662/ralph-sampson-iii-nba-draft-early-entry-gophers]http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnesota-golden-gophers/2011/5/8/2160662/ralph-sampson-iii-nba-draft-early-entry-gophers[/url][/quote]

Um, wow. I realize at 6’11, he has good size to play in NBA. His stats don’t exactly scream at you. His Junior year he averaged 10 points and 5 rebounds a game. Above average shot blocker. Seems like an odd choice for RS III. I just looked due to curiosity, he was relatively invisible vs Penn State this past year.

Well, not quite 6-11. To me he does not quite seem NBA ready…but…I never thought Luke Walton would make a NBA team. So, maybe, his “name” will count for something.

http://thehoopsreport.com/nets-combine-measurements.aspx


The name must help, I see Jeremiah Rivers was at this combine.

#10

Stats aside, Cal wasn’t soft like Sampson is. Sampson’s stats would be fine if he showed he wanted to be a banger.


#11

[quote=“tjb, post:8, topic:2373”]I don’t think he is as good as Cal, but Cal made many millions in an important niche role in the NBA. Just because you’re not a lottery pick doesn’t mean it might not make sense to go.

If anyone wants to untangle all those negatives to make a clearer statement, have at it. :)[/quote]

One of my favorite quotes from Steve Jones during a basketball broadcast went something like this: We’ve had a lot of great football players here at Penn State, but a guy just walked by who probably made more than all of them - Calvin Booth. As you said, Calvin carved out an important niche as a serviceable backup center and played for something like 13 years in the NBA.


#12

Booth was a legit elite shotblocker. Being a lefty helped that. And you need at least one true elite skill to succeed in the NBA. I don’t think Sampson is anywhere near the shotblocker Booth was and I don’t think he has the skillset to make the league and any skill you would consider elite. At best, his name gets him a 12th man on the bench shot for a year to see what he can do.


#13
[quote="tjb, post:8, topic:2373"]I don't think he is as good as Cal, but Cal made many millions in an important niche role in the NBA. Just because you're not a lottery pick doesn't mean it might not make sense to go.

If anyone wants to untangle all those negatives to make a clearer statement, have at it. :)[/quote]

One of my favorite quotes from Steve Jones during a basketball broadcast went something like this: We’ve had a lot of great football players here at Penn State, but a guy just walked by who probably made more than all of them - Calvin Booth. As you said, Calvin carved out an important niche as a serviceable backup center and played for something like 13 years in the NBA.

Kerry Collins has passed him and Tamba Hali probably will soon.


#14

Sampson had second thoughts, smart move: http://twitter.com/#!/ESPNAndyKatz/statuses/67702136082923521


#15

I wouldn’t call it a smart move.

Someone else made reference to this… The NBA does not really draft according to ability, they draft based on potentiial. The longer you play college ball the longer you have the chance to show the scouts what you CANNOT do.

If Sampson goes now, maybe someone takes him as a project. He stays another year, maybe they see that he really won’t pan out.


#16

It was a dumb move if he was slated to be a 1st round pick. (unlikely)

A safe move if he was slated to be a 2nd round pick (possible)

A smart move if he wasn’t set to be drafted (also possible)


#17

I never thought he was a good coach. He’s sorta like a rah rah HS football coach. His teams are physically tough, fast, but not very skilled, and his offense not so hot. Defensively they’re decent, aggressive, but overall, so so, IMO. Even though they made the tourney in '09, I think he lost his last 6 conference games, including last game at home vs. Michigan. That may have cost PSU a spot, as both those teams made it at 9-9. Michigan probably out at 8-10 and PSU in at 10-8. And he didn’t recruit that well at Kentucky, so Minny must be murder for him. Williams will be a very tough act to follow, IMO. I guess Maryland better spot than Minny, but tough to excel in that conference at that school.


#18

RIP Robert “Tractor” Taylor

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=13580475


#19

Tubby Smith battling prostate cancer: http://kstp.com/article/stories/s2107516.shtml

Wish him the best, looks like hes doing relatively well.


#20

I’m glad it was checked and they found it. It really is the forgotten cancer