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ESPN Production-based Mock Draft


#1

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569

Talor makes the list.


#2

[quote=“laoDan, post:1, topic:2508”]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569

Talor makes the list.[/quote]
Talor makes #10 on the production-based list, yet is predicted to go undrafted. Enough about his size, the man can flat-out ball. I suppose AI was also just too small for the big leagues…


#3
[quote="laoDan, post:1, topic:2508"][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569[/url]

Talor makes the list.[/quote]
Talor makes #10 on the production-based list, yet is predicted to go undrafted. Enough about his size, the man can flat-out ball. I suppose AI was also just too small for the big leagues…

The NBA is a huge league. The reason it’s so amazing to see a guy like JJ Barea completely take over a game (even for just a few minutes here and there) at that level is because it’s so rare a player that small is able to do it.

Now Talor isn’t quite that small but if he makes it in the NBA, there will almost never be a moment where he isn’t being defended by a guy with 4+ inches on him, and many times a wingspan even greater. It will be pretty astonishing if he’s able to play well at his size.

Nobody is saying it’s impossible, but it will be a surprising story if it happens. He’s not alone though, this isn’t the media picking on TB. Size and quickness are the primary things that keep all great college players from being NBA players, the same way they keep good high school players from being major college hoops players. Some guys are good enough to overcome it, and the others have to get off the ride like the rest of us common folk. I think we would all agree Talor should have no problems finding a pro basketball place SOMEWHERE even if not in the NBA. And we’re all hoping he proves all the doubters (self included) wrong also - nothing would be better than watching more TB in the NBA someday.


#4

[quote=“laoDan, post:1, topic:2508”]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569

Talor makes the list.[/quote]

Great list.


#5
[quote="laoDan, post:1, topic:2508"][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569[/url]

Talor makes the list.[/quote]

Great list.

How could it be it’s a geek list not an eyeballs list? :wink:


#6
[quote="laoDan, post:1, topic:2508"][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569[/url]

Talor makes the list.[/quote]

Great list.

How could it be it’s a geek list not an eyeballs list? :wink:

I kind of think Pullen should make it too, though see he looks undrafted. Not sure how much space I see between him and Kemba Walker, and he schooled Jimmer, covering him, picking him more than once, and outscoring him 35 to 21 in the '10 NCAA’s. And in that article, they say Jimmer’s junior year was better. I think we’ll see Pullen in the league as well. Not sure why I didn’t see any Hofstra games this year with Jenkins and vs. VCU or GMU. I could walk there, less than a mile from where I stay in NY.


#7

Don’t forget Pullen absolutely ate up Jordan Talor too. I can’t believe he’s not getting serious looks.


#8

One of the biggest knocks against Talor is no secret: His height.

I wanted to find out how many players in the NBA are under 6 foot. I was looking on the net, but the best I could find was the 2007-2008 season. Something interesting that I found:

of players UNDER 6 foot (5’11" and under): 10

of players OVER 7 foot (7’1" and over): 11

The total players listed were 438.

2007-08 Player Survey: Height


#9

[quote=“Skeeza, post:8, topic:2508”]One of the biggest knocks against Talor is no secret: His height.

I wanted to find out how many players in the NBA are under 6 foot. I was looking on the net, but the best I could find was the 2007-2008 season. Something interesting that I found:

of players UNDER 6 foot (5’11" and under): 10

of players OVER 7 foot (7’1" and over): 11

The total players listed were 438.

2007-08 Player Survey: Height
[/quote]
Good list of the short guys, but where is Earl Boykins? He just finished his 11th year, and he’s 5’5". As I think the NBA measures with sneakers on, and Talor measured 6’0" at the PIT(I think) you could add Jonny Flynn, Jameer Nelson, Barea. BTW, Mike Conley now listed at 6’1". I don’t really remember Conley too much, and I know he just played 1 year, but how would anybody rate him vs. Talor?


#10

Conley is strong and can beat his defender and get into the lane. Explosive quickness.
Solid starting NBA PG.


#11

A Freudian slip? The mistake is usually the other way. :wink: Can this become a trend, hmmm…, Zachary Talor? How about talorgate party?


#12
[quote="Skeeza, post:8, topic:2508"]One of the biggest knocks against Talor is no secret: His height.

I wanted to find out how many players in the NBA are under 6 foot. I was looking on the net, but the best I could find was the 2007-2008 season. Something interesting that I found:

of players UNDER 6 foot (5’11" and under): 10

of players OVER 7 foot (7’1" and over): 11

The total players listed were 438.

2007-08 Player Survey: Height
[/quote]
Good list of the short guys, but where is Earl Boykins? He just finished his 11th year, and he’s 5’5". As I think the NBA measures with sneakers on, and Talor measured 6’0" at the PIT(I think) you could add Jonny Flynn, Jameer Nelson, Barea. BTW, Mike Conley now listed at 6’1". I don’t really remember Conley too much, and I know he just played 1 year, but how would anybody rate him vs. Talor?

I looked up Boykins. He only played 38 games, starting none for Charlotte that year. Maybe he wasn’t on a roster when this list came out.


#13
[quote="laoDan, post:1, topic:2508"][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6686569[/url]

Talor makes the list.[/quote]

Great list.

How could it be it’s a geek list not an eyeballs list? :wink:

I didn’t see the kenpom connection, til I went back. I never really looked at his individual numbers, but on teams, yes, mediocre at best, IMO. I’ve seen many here use them, esp you, where I just didn’t think they fit.

I know you hate anecdotal evidence, but a clear example might be PSU, on both sides of arc shooting, offense and defense. This year at the BJC, in the one game I attended, OSU blew out PSU. Diebler hit 10 st. treys, as most remember. So, does that mean arc D is bad? NFW, IMO. Problem, as I saw it, was that OSU got the ball to Sully every time, Tim Frazier left his man to help, Sully kicked it out, PSU’s defense scrambled, the ball found Diebler and wham. So, how do you fix that? Many kenpom followers will say “fix the arc defense”. Not me. I say, figure out a way to single cover Sully, or maybe triangle and 2, covering Sully and Diebler, but don’t blame the arc D. I look at games, won and lost, and figure what adjustments would be necessary to change the outcome. Vs. OSU, yes cover Diebler better, but that starts with paint defense, not arc defense. Who can’t stay with Diebler if it’s man to man with few switches? He’s slow as molasses. On offense the same thing. If PSU has no inside game, how do you expect to get good arc looks(see OSU for how to create good arc looks)? Re kenpom, I beat him by 21 games, basically going with my eyeballs in conferences I knew, Big 10, Big East, and with the handicappers if they differed on other games. These were almost all tight, like 2 point swing in most examples. The betting sites killed kenpom. I won 14 straight in Feb/March, just when kenpom’s numbers should have been more reliable, not less, due to tons of data. One good example of the betting sites superior lines is that they had Wisky a 2 point favorite over OSU at the Kohl Center when OSU was still undefeated. I did not take that game, thinking they were wrong. On this list, maybe this is some of his good work. :wink:


#14

I’m just hoping that Talor finds his way into the league. I will be ecstatic if he gets drafted tomorrow.


#15

I think his best chance might be to NOT get drafted.