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Bruce Pearl


#1

UT punishment…20 lashes with a wet noodle…what a joke!
Nothing less that “removal from his job” should be acceptable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5554682

P.S. Wikipedia had Pearl’s salary at 2.4 Mil per year. (less 20 wet noodle lashes)


#2

[quote=“tundra, post:1, topic:1337”]UT punishment…20 lashes with a wet noodle…what a joke!
Nothing less that “removal from his job” should be acceptable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5554682

P.S. Wikipedia had Pearl’s salary at 2.4 Mil per year. (less 20 wet noodle lashes) [/quote]

I’m with ya’ tundra. Pearl is a snake and knew exactly what he was trying to pull in regards to NCAA violations. Now he has to go in front of everybody and shed tears, hoping that the media, the NCAA and Tennessee further buy into his crap and go easy on him and his program. If Tennessee is going to take recruiting visits and privileges away, they should just can him now. But just like Indiana had to swim in the Kelvin Sampscum crap, so too will Tennessee.


#3

I agree they should have canned him, and he is a sleaze, but cutting his salary by $300 k per year is not nothing. Kind of odd punishment. Not sure I’ve ever seen that before. Think about it, “you can stay here Bruce, but only if you take a $1.5 million cut over 5 years. We want you, but not that much. You’re damaged goods. You can’t get a job somewhere else that soon, and we’re going to take advantage of that.” Kind of weird.

Tobias Harris is there this year, weird pick if you ask me. Big East schools were all over him. He was ranked in top 10 in country. I think he’s soft. He got tossed in state finals for complaining to refs, getting two T’s, and his team was eliminated. Think they lost to CBA Albany, badly. His teammates likely to beat him up at UT. Talented, but prima donna, IMO.


#4

[quote=“kidcoyote, post:3, topic:1337”]I agree they should have canned him, and he is a sleaze, but cutting his salary by $300 k per year is not nothing. Kind of odd punishment. Not sure I’ve ever seen that before. Think about it, “you can stay here Bruce, but only if you take a $1.5 million cut over 5 years. We want you, but not that much. You’re damaged goods. You can’t get a job somewhere else that soon, and we’re going to take advantage of that.” Kind of weird.

Tobias Harris is there this year, weird pick if you ask me. Big East schools were all over him. He was ranked in top 10 in country. I think he’s soft. He got tossed in state finals for complaining to refs, getting two T’s, and his team was eliminated. Think they lost to CBA Albany, badly. His teammates likely to beat him up at UT. Talented, but prima donna, IMO.[/quote]

When you make a “REPORTED” 2.4 Million a year. A $300,000 cut will not hurt you. PLUS…this $300,000 cut is likely “official UT” money. There are other ways for a coach to receive money.
I think the University wants the wins that Pearl brings VERY VERY much. I don’t think UT wants Pearl to leave…as long as he is still recruiting top 10 kids.


#5

I hope the NCAA says thanks but no thanks to the self-imposed sanctions


#6

Good point, Tom. So do I. These “self-imposed” sanctions are NOTHING but attempts to make “nice-nice” with the NCAA.


#7

This story has me confused and conflicted.

In the grand scheme of NCAA violations, excessive contact with recruits and misinforming NCAA officials about it seems to rank pretty low to me. If he had come out and just admitted to his rule breaking instead of lying about it, I don’t think he gets off any easier - he should probably be given some degree of credit for coming clean on it at some point when most guys goto their graves never admitting it.

My question is - what prompted a 17 month investigation into the program, and how many programs would pass that type of test with flying colors? I doubt many, if any at all.

He could have been pulled out of there kicking and screaming, but instead he is owning up to it and trying to make amends. That takes guts and I can respect that, and I’m guessing that’s part of why Tenn is trying to keep working with him.

I don’t know why I’m hesitant to pile on the guy, I just don’t get the vibe that he’s truly one of the bad guys in college sports. Maybe he’s not one of the good guys either, but show me a highly successful college program and I’ll show you some coaches that should be investigated.


#8

The NCAA will come down big time on Pearl. Tennessee’s slap on the wrist penalty won’t cut it with the NCAA.

The NCAA really has little investigative power. The one thing that they have to rely on in their investigations is people telling them the truth. When they find out that a COACH has lied to them, they have no choice but to hit him hard to prevent it happening in the future. The consequences of lying to the NCAA has to have a much bigger penalty than the actual original offense would otherwise people just wouldn’t tell the truth.


#9

kind of intersting since Pearl went states evidence once on Illinois and was blackballed by the fraternity for while. To hear Pearl tell it he was just exposing injustice.


#10

Here’s a little insight of what you speak of Still. The Illini Nation is certainly basking in all of this.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/15198/illinois-assistant-relishing-pearls-missteps

It would be interesting for the NCAA to pit Illinois against Tennessee come March…oh wait…the Vols will be watching the tournament from their couches in Knoxville ;D


#11

I am no expert on the prior Pearl issue. But, I think he made allegations that did not turn out to be true.
Blackballed…well the guy has a long term deal for 2.4 M (at least) a year. I should be so blackballed.

I just think Pearl has been “playing” this entire college hoop scene prety darn well. He is rich, rich, rich and famous. Still has a long term contract. He just seems “slimy” to me.


#12
[quote="Still in State College, post:9, topic:1337"]kind of intersting since Pearl went states evidence once on Illinois and was blackballed by the fraternity for while. To hear Pearl tell it he was just exposing injustice.[/quote]

I am no expert on the prior Pearl issue. But, I think he made allegations that did not turn out to be true.
Blackballed…well the guy has a long term deal for 2.4 M (at least) a year. I should be so blackballed.

I just think Pearl has been “playing” this entire college hoop scene prety darn well. He is rich, rich, rich and famous. Still has a long term contract. He just seems “slimy” to me.

If you read the link NittanyIllini supplied you would see that it took him 9 years to get another DI job.


#13

[quote=“UncleLar, post:8, topic:1337”]The NCAA will come down big time on Pearl. Tennessee’s slap on the wrist penalty won’t cut it with the NCAA.

The NCAA really has little investigative power. The one thing that they have to rely on in their investigations is people telling them the truth. When they find out that a COACH has lied to them, they have no choice but to hit him hard to prevent it happening in the future. The consequences of lying to the NCAA has to have a much bigger penalty than the actual original offense would otherwise people just wouldn’t tell the truth.[/quote]

I’m not going to disagree with what you’re saying, but I do think we should be careful here.

Cheating and not being asked about it (so you don’t have to lie) isn’t exactly better than cheating and lying when asked. You have just been lucky enough to never HAVE to lie about it. The cheating itself is the deception - and in this case it sounds like we’re talking about a guy having contact with recruits for long than the time they are allowed. That type of thing isn’t really the same as giving out cars and cash to players and their families, a la USC and Reggie Bush.

So yes, he technically did lie. But every coach that is breaking some rule and not openly admitting it is technically lying also, by omission.

The odd part here is that it sounds like Pearl is coming clean about both his rule breaking and his lying to investigators. While it’s not like he deserves a free pass, I still think he’s taking a road most public figures don’t when he doesn’t necessarily have to. He could just continue denying it and sticking to his lie, but he’s choosing to come clean and try to stay on the straight and narrow - so it seems anyhow.

I just think we should be careful to crucify people for coming clean, even if it was a bit late. I’d rather have these guys admit their wrong-doings and get these things more out in the open, even if it means fines and penalties for the program. Better than to have a program like USC go on winning for 10 years and have to try to retroactively take things away from them.


#14

Point taken Craftsy.

But Pearl is still slime. Maybe it’s not cars and cash, but I’ve never trusted this guy and this latest issue, as slight as it may be in the circles of college basketball recruiting, certainly shows his true colors.


#15

[quote=“NittanyIllini, post:14, topic:1337”]Point taken Craftsy.

But Pearl is still slime. Maybe it’s not cars and cash, but I’ve never trusted this guy and this latest issue, as slight as it may be in the circles of college basketball recruiting, certainly shows his true colors.[/quote]

Fair enough. I do think it’s amazing he ever got work again after the ratting out incident, he must be a pretty damn good coach. But definitely seems more suited for NBA work at this point.


#16
[quote="Still in State College, post:9, topic:1337"]kind of intersting since Pearl went states evidence once on Illinois and was blackballed by the fraternity for while. To hear Pearl tell it he was just exposing injustice.[/quote]

I am no expert on the prior Pearl issue. But, I think he made allegations that did not turn out to be true.
Blackballed…well the guy has a long term deal for 2.4 M (at least) a year. I should be so blackballed.

I just think Pearl has been “playing” this entire college hoop scene prety darn well. He is rich, rich, rich and famous. Still has a long term contract. He just seems “slimy” to me.

OK, Still. I had NOT opened the “link”. I didn’t know he was at D2 for that long. BUt, I still would buy a used car from him!!

If you read the link NittanyIllini supplied you would see that it took him 9 years to get another DI job.


#17
[quote="kidcoyote, post:3, topic:1337"]I agree they should have canned him, and he is a sleaze, but cutting his salary by $300 k per year is not nothing. Kind of odd punishment. Not sure I've ever seen that before. Think about it, "you can stay here Bruce, but only if you take a $1.5 million cut over 5 years. We want you, but not that much. You're damaged goods. You can't get a job somewhere else that soon, and we're going to take advantage of that." Kind of weird.

Tobias Harris is there this year, weird pick if you ask me. Big East schools were all over him. He was ranked in top 10 in country. I think he’s soft. He got tossed in state finals for complaining to refs, getting two T’s, and his team was eliminated. Think they lost to CBA Albany, badly. His teammates likely to beat him up at UT. Talented, but prima donna, IMO.[/quote]

When you make a “REPORTED” 2.4 Million a year. A $300,000 cut will not hurt you. PLUS…this $300,000 cut is likely “official UT” money. There are other ways for a coach to receive money.
I think the University wants the wins that Pearl brings VERY VERY much. I don’t think UT wants Pearl to leave…as long as he is still recruiting top 10 kids.

The irony of this is that it was a 17 month investigation. That means the infraction happened over a year and a half ago…

…last summer, Pearl took a pay raise of about $700,000 per year. As punishment, he is docked $300,000 per year. That’s still a profit of $400,000. Doesn’t seem like such a “punishment”, does it?


#18

New article from ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5714649


#19

Sounds like Bruce has some splaining to do.


#20

There was some chatter on the FOS board that Tennessee could be looking at some MAJOR violations and punishments for both football and BBall programs. Lack of institutional control is being thrown around. Sounds like the football team had ‘escorts’ for some recruits that were encouraged to do whatever it took to make sure the recruit had a good time.