Barbour: PC the coach next year

[Craftsy21]

Would be a really difficult spot to be in, at that point. And let’s just hope it doesn’t come to that.

[rwd5035]

Really? I think the decision would be fairly easy from this perspective. Have to keep him.

[Craftsy21]

I think the extension is a no-brainer to give him right now, you have to empower him to do his job correctly. But whether or not we keep him around if we fall short of the tournament next year? That would probably be a ‘no’ for me.

If he needs three years to dance with this current crop of kids, I just don’t think it matters how well he can recruit at that point.

As I keep saying, coming into next year I think we could have a top 3 player in the league at 3 different positions. Plus three VERY experienced senior role players and a fantastic defender and energy guy in Reaves. If that’s not a tournament team, there is a problem.

[rwd5035]

Thanks PC [Merged with Barbour: PC the coach ...]

I think the extension is a no-brainer to give him right now, you have to empower him to do his job correctly. But whether or not we keep him around if we fall short of the tournament next year? That would probably be a ‘no’ for me.

I guess my expectations are different. We’ve got a great core here and need the role players to fill it out. I’m not sure we have that on next year’s team if we’re just running the same squad again.

[GoSpikes]

I would tend to agree with you. Let’s dance though and make it easy!

[tjb]

So if Izzo is a moron, that justifies similar behavior from Pat?

Nope, that’s moving the goalposts at worst, failing to answer the question at best.

Would you allow your son to play for Tom Izzo?

[tjb]

Sorry, merged the two coaching threads to try and make things easier to follow, but the software just appended the merged threads, didn’t interleave them according to timestamp.

[GoSpikes]

No worries, I think we’ll still have you back next year.

[BleedPSU]

If all three things happen, I’d be inclined to keep him with the top 30-ish class being the main determining factor. If it’s another 60-100 class again, I’m OK showing him the door.

I’m not nearly as bullish on recruiting as I was 6 months ago. Even playing the AAU connections game, I just don’t see these kids giving us the same look after a 14-17 finish that they would have had we made the NIT. There’s no reason for them to. Dread is good, but he’s not gonna move the needle with a Mucius, Golden, Cohill type… Have heard nothing about Hunter either.

[tjb]

I’m not nearly as bullish on recruiting as I was 6 months ago. Even playing the AAU connections game, I just don’t see these kids giving us the same look after a 14-17 finish that they would have had we made the NIT.

With PC here for next season and early signing Nov 8-15, we’ll know by then.

I can see your argument, but the staff has sold more with less in the previous two years. I’m not sure whether “no extension” or “14-17” is the tougher hurdle. Inclined toward the former, but at the very least it’s the only important factor within Penn State’s control.

[SpreadHDGFX]

No worries, I think we’ll still have you back next year.

Yeah, but I don’t think we’ll be giving him an extension.

[tjb]

Yeah, but I don’t think we’ll be giving him an extension.

Ha! I would never sign an extension! It’s year-to-year in the years I accept donations, and minute-to-minute in all others!

[CAPPY]

Patrick Chambers will coach Penn State next season, Thad Matta's seat is...

[hoopla]

If I was an MSU fan and observed the same behavior from Izzo, of course I wouldn’t want my son treated that way. There are plenty of coaches who utilize mistakes as a learning opportunity, rather than ranting at players. You are confusing winning at any cost and I am about winning with character and class. Is it possible for you to come up with any successful B10 coaches who also show empathy toward their players?

[Skeeza]

Everyone talks about “giving” Chambers and extension, and how it’s up to Bourbor to do so.

What about Chambers? Will he take an extension? Is he asking for a pay raise?

Looking at if from Chamber’s perspective, would you take a 4 or 5 year extension now, at what may be “bottom-finishing” rates, when he can wait and sign an extension next season at “tournament qualifier” dollars?

[rwd5035]

Looking at if from Chamber’s perspective, would you take a 4 or 5 year extension now, at what may be “bottom-finishing” rates, when he can wait and sign an extension next season at “tournament qualifier” dollars?

Waiting to sign an extension next season will hurt his ability to recruit, and he will know this + it will be used against him for coaches going after Cohill, Carmody, Forrester, Littles, etc. It has to be done now, we can always extend it again a year from now if the team performs well.

And I’m not sure anyone is asking for a 4 year extension, give him a 2 year extension until 2021. It’s a no brainer for us and him. Gives him the chance to recruit for 2018 and time with his young core, and provides us time to evaluate him further before making a decision as to his long term future.

[tjb]

Looking at if from Chamber’s perspective, would you take a 4 or 5 year extension now, at what may be “bottom-finishing” rates, when he can wait and sign an extension next season at “tournament qualifier” dollars?

He’ll get slammed with cash if he wins, as soon as he wins, regardless of the contract. This is all about appearances.

If I was an MSU fan and observed the same behavior from Izzo, of course I wouldn’t want my son treated that way. There are plenty of coaches who utilize mistakes as a learning opportunity, rather than ranting at players. You are confusing winning at any cost and I am about winning with character and class. Is it possible for you to come up with any successful B10 coaches who also show empathy toward their players?

Thanks for the answer.

I think Izzo has a ton of empathy for his players, and they understand the way he interacts with them. I would contrast that with Knight, who may have also had empathy for them but it was tough to see.

I think Chambers is the same as Izzo (minus the wins!), but I have no actual experience that would give that belief any real credence. As with Izzo, I think it has to (ultimately) be demonstrated by his players’ actions and what they say about him.

Chambers’ rep seems to be the opposite of what you infer from your occasional observations on the sidelines. I’ve seen those things, too. To counter that anecdotal evidence, I would cite John Johnson’s tweet of thanks to PC after he was dismissed from the team; that Del Wilson has said that it is known in Philly recruiting circles that Chambers ‘will have your back’ (sorry, don’t have the cite handy), and DJ Newbill, who in his open letter after graduating, wrote:

“Coach Chambers stepped in and stepped up. While he demanded a lot from me and constantly pushed me to become a better student and basketball player, there was never a moment I didn’t feel respected and loved.”

However, I believe the evidence comes in the long haul so you may be right.

[rwd5035]

He’ll get slammed with cash if he wins, as soon as he wins, regardless of the contract. This is all about appearances.

That’s the way I look at it too. If the team does well next season and makes the tournament, he’ll have all the leverage to get more money on an extension.

[think1]

Pat knows he shouldn’t be using the Sam Hinkie process in college, right?

[rwd5035]

I know I’m a Sixers fan, but don’t quite get your connection here.