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25th Anniversary of the 3


#1

25th Anniversary of the 3


#2

That is ironic, seeing how another post was just started which talked about the 50th anniversary of Wilt’s 100 point game.

Does that mean Timmy Frazier is due to have a 100 point game tonight?

…every 25 years !!! :wink:


#3

The 3 point line changed the game. Big time. I don’t think it was for the better! I think the college and HS 3 point lines are FAR TOO SHORT. I think the “shot clock” was a much more important positive rule change.

The 3 point line brought back the semi set shot and baby jump shot from the dead. Goes to show that things run in cycles. Heck Clair Bee coaching strategies may become popular again!! :wink:


#4

I may have been under the influence of Dick Harter, but prior to the shot clock and the three, every possession was about getting it down low for a shot and potential foul. It was brutal. You might be right, though - the shot clock might have cured that by itself.

That said, I love the three. I think it’s had as much to do with parity as scholarship limits and one and dones.


#5

tjb, I’m going to have to disagree with you from a traditionalist standpoint.

I believe the 3-point shot ruined the game as it was meant to be played. Just look at any of the Knicks championship teams of the early 70’s and how they played as a team in moving the ball around to get the best shot. That was basketball played the way it was meant to be played.

Nowadays far too much emphasis is put on the 3-point shot. And some teams just look to settle on the 3 or get so enamored with the 3. Players routinely will pass up five foot jumpers or even lay-ups, if there is an open man camped at the 3 point line. That’s not what I know as basketball.

The one good thing, if you’re a team that is outclassed in talent and size, is that the 3 point shot sort of gives those teams a shot at winning a game. Good for making games against lopsided teams exciting, but bad for The Game, IMO.


#6

Honestly, I don’t think its the 3pt line that caused the change in how basketball is played. To me the real reason is the size and athleticism of the modern player. You just can’t play the way that you used to. The 3pt line forces the D to extend a little further and open passing and driving lanes.

That said, there is too much emphasis on the 3. I believe that it should be moved back to a distance that clearly makes its 3FG%*3 <= 2FG%*2. This year the NCAA average for 3FG% is 34.22%. multiply that by 3= 1.0266 points per shot, which is the same as averaging 50.13% from 2. To me that effective FG% number needs to go down to about 45%. Its just a percentage game. On average do you want to play the slot machines at casino A that pay out a few % more often than the ones at casino B?


#7

[quote=“NittanyIllini, post:5, topic:3085”]tjb, I’m going to have to disagree with you from a traditionalist standpoint.

I believe the 3-point shot ruined the game as it was meant to be played. Just look at any of the Knicks championship teams of the early 70’s and how they played as a team in moving the ball around to get the best shot. That was basketball played the way it was meant to be played.

Nowadays far too much emphasis is put on the 3-point shot. And some teams just look to settle on the 3 or get so enamored with the 3. Players routinely will pass up five foot jumpers or even lay-ups, if there is an open man camped at the 3 point line. That’s not what I know as basketball.
The one good thing, if you’re a team that is outclassed in talent and size, is that the 3 point shot sort of gives those teams a shot at winning a game. Good for making games against lopsided teams exciting, but bad for The Game, IMO.[/quote]

Good point Illi,

Look at the modern day “fast break.” 1. There are VERY few compared to the past game. 2. They are not intended to get a lay-up. They are intended to get a 3 pt shot. A lay-up/dunk is the easiest shot in the game. The most sure way to get points. It should be the most desired way to score. If basketball is going to keep the 3…they should make it much harder than it is in the present.


#8
I believe the 3-point shot ruined the game as it was meant to be played. Just look at any of the Knicks championship teams of the early 70's and how they played as a team in moving the ball around to get the best shot. That was basketball played the way it was meant to be played.

Honestly, I don’t think its the 3pt line that caused the change in how basketball is played. To me the real reason is the size and athleticism of the modern player. You just can’t play the way that you used to. The 3pt line forces the D to extend a little further and open passing and driving lanes.

It’s a valid point, Jakk, coming from a physical perspective. But the whole mentality of the game has changed due to the 3-point line. I see it in youth hoops now. Kids who have no business shooting from out there, that’s all they want to do in practice and sometimes games. it totally takes away from the early teachings of the game, when the object was to work it around to get the best and easiest shot.

With that said, I wouldn’t want the shot to go away…just, as tundra and so many other hoop traditionalists have been saying, move the darn line back.


#9

I like the addition of the 3 a lot better than the shot clock (although I have to admit anything that eliminates the 4-corners set is a good thing) I liked the clock at 45 seconds, personally. It rewarded offensive patience and the ability to work as a team to get a good shot. There are way too many bad shots taken these days, and I think a lot of that is just due to a lack of patience brought on by the shorter shot clocks.

The 3 has allowed the “little guy” to have a shot at beating the monster-programs who in the past could load up on 7 footers and beat all the little guys. Would Talor Battle been the player he was if the court hadn’t opened up for him because of the 3 pt line (and would we have ever seen a shot from the logo?)


#10

Without the 3 point shot, PSU likely doesn’t beat Kentucky, thus taking away one of the greatest moments in sports history (from my point of view). Therefore, I love the 3 point shot.


#11

One of the reasons why I can’t watch the NBA and the 24 second clock. Well, that and the fact that they really don’t call any fouls or play any defense.

I think this is something you won’t see on the stat sheet, but makes the game so much better to watch. One of the reasons I like the 3pt shot is because it makes the game more competitive overall. When a team is behind, it becomes much easier to get back in it and make for an enjoyable and entertaining game when they have the 3 to get them there. Especailly in the final minute or two.


#12
I like the addition of the 3 a lot better than the shot clock (although I have to admit anything that eliminates the 4-corners set is a good thing) I liked the clock at 45 seconds, personally. It rewarded offensive patience and the ability to work as a team to get a good shot. There are [b]way too many bad shots taken these days, and I think a lot of that is just due to a lack of patience brought on by the shorter shot clocks.[/b]

One of the reasons why I can’t watch the NBA and the 24 second clock. Well, that and the fact that they really don’t call any fouls or play any defense.

Without the 3 point shot, PSU likely doesn't beat Kentucky, thus taking away one of the greatest moments in sports history (from my point of view). Therefore, I love the 3 point shot.

I think this is something you won’t see on the stat sheet, but makes the game so much better to watch. One of the reasons I like the 3pt shot is because it makes the game more competitive overall. When a team is behind, it becomes much easier to get back in it and make for an enjoyable and entertaining game when they have the 3 to get them there. Especailly in the final minute or two.

Yes, it is more entertaining…I’ll give you that. Still, it’s hurt The Game.


#13

I think you will find that with ANYTHING in life. Anything that becomes more appealing or popular, becomes further from ‘purity’.

Mass appeal = bandwagonning = piss off the older crowd :wink:


#14

It’s all been downhill since they opened up the bottom of the baskets.


#15

Nice 8)


#16

[quote=“NittanyIllini, post:5, topic:3085”]tjb, I’m going to have to disagree with you from a traditionalist standpoint.

I believe the 3-point shot ruined the game as it was meant to be played. [/quote]

Originally the game was meant to be played where it was illegal to move with the ball and first person to get the ball when it went out of bounds got possession of the ball :slight_smile:


#17

Game took a turn for the worse when one was allowed more than 3 dribbles.


#18

Personally, I think it started with the removal of the cage.

took me until my Jr year to figure out why the Collegian kept calling the hoops team “Cagers”


#19

I like the three point shot. It’s a skill to shoot the ball from long range. I’m more offended by “all time greats” like Shaq who can’t make a simple foul shot to save their lives.


#20

The “outside” shot has ALWAYS had a strong place in basketball going back to the two handed set shot!! The college 3 pt line is so close it is NOT a huge skill issue; let alone getting a extra point to make the shot. Go to ANY elementary/middle school game. Watch the warm ups. You will fine EVERY player standing outside the 3 pt line. Which is the SAME DISTANCE as the college line. Again it’s not a lot of skill to make that shot! It takes a lot more skill to score closer to the basket with a defender guarding you closely!! The 3 point line has taken SKILL out of the game!! Shaq and skill :o :o :o Nuff said.