2017 NCAA tourney thread

[State4Life]

It wasn't even a judgement call

[rwd5035]

Two wrongs don't make a right. The refs missed the call, 100%. That doesn't excuse running onto the floor. It's a textbook technical foul.

[tjb]

Plus I don't like his facial expressions.

[Craftsy21]

right, he basically impeded the ref from getting down the court. he was interfering with the actual game at that point, not just throwing a fit in the background. the ref had no choice there.

[State4Life]

I have the Zags in my bracket (I didn't even have NW to beat Vandy - which, they shouldn't have), but I still disagree with that series of events. I know that a game is 40 minutes, but it's horrible for the refs to likely put the outcome in their whistle at the end of a game.

[rwd5035]

would have been a 3 point game instead of a 7 and the ball

This is also a pretty weird way to look at it for me. Why was it a 7 point game and Gonzaga retained possession? Because of Chris Collins.

If he would've kept his cool, it's Gonzaga up 5 and the ball.

[Craftsy21]

but it's horrible for the refs to likely put the outcome in their whistle at the end of a game.

i was impressed with how they seemed to let Nova and Wisconsin "play" at the end of their game. Too often these games are impacted too much by officiating at the end.

[rwd5035]

I have the Zags in my bracket (I didn't even have NW to beat Vandy - which, they shouldn't have), but I still disagree with that series of events.

So what? I want to hear about your bracket as much as you want to hear about mine. It's like other people's fantasy football teams, no one wants to hear about it.

I know that a game is 40 minutes, but it's horrible for the refs to likely put the outcome in their whistle at the end of a game.

It's always bad when refs make themselves the center of the attention. If they made the right call, Northwestern would've been down 3. Unfortunately for Northwestern, they did make a right call on the technical foul. Chris Collins looked like a lunatic and impeded his team's chances to win the game. It was like when Jim Boeheim did something similar in Duke a few years ago, he looked like just as much of a lunatic too.

[tjb]

No question he had to get T'd up there. He really ran out on the court.

[Craftsy21]

the question is, did anybody besides Collins actually catch that he went through the hoop in real time? I sure didn't.

[rwd5035]

It's something you don't see unless you have a good view of that basket. I'm sure almost everyone courtside saw it.

[State4Life]

I have the Zags in my bracket (I didn't even have NW to beat Vandy - which, they shouldn't have), but I still disagree with that series of events.

So what? I want to hear about your bracket as much as you want to hear about mine. It's like other people's fantasy football teams, no one wants to hear about it.

I simply said that to remove any thinking that I was biased and wanted the opposite outcome. The outcome was what I wanted, but that series that did A LOT in determining that outcome was poorly officiated.

If the right call had been made, not only is NU only down by 3, but no T-situation is presented as well.

I do have a little issue with further penalizing a team when you already blew a pivotal call against them. It's like rubbing salt in the wound.

[rwd5035]

I do have a little issue with further penalizing a team when you already blew a pivotal call against them. It's like rubbing salt in the wound.

I have an issue with that too, it doesn't mean the rules no longer apply to that team though.

[Craftsy21]

I do have a little issue with further penalizing a team when you already blew a pivotal call against them. It's like rubbing salt in the wound.

but how do you fix this exactly? if they had seen the violation we have to assume they would have called it correctly.

it doesn't help that coaches are in their ear constantly about EVERY call. you get a little of that boy who cried wolf thing going on, when they actually do miss one it looks exactly the same as the ones they get right.

[State4Life]

I do have a little issue with further penalizing a team when you already blew a pivotal call against them. It's like rubbing salt in the wound.

but how do you fix this exactly? if they had seen the violation we have to assume they would have called it correctly.

it doesn't help that coaches are in their ear constantly about EVERY call. you get a little of that boy who cried wolf thing going on, when they actually do miss one it looks exactly the same as the ones they get right.

True, although, given the situation, yelling that the defender reached through the rim seems a little odd to make up off the top of your head... you would think, if crying wolf, the coach would be flipping about the (correct) no-call and saying that should have been a foul.

[Craftsy21]

True, although, given the situation, yelling that the defender reached through the rim seems a little odd to make up off the top of your head... you would think, if crying wolf, the coach would be flipping about the (correct) no-call and saying that should have been a foul.

i'm fairly sure the ref had no idea what he was yelling at him about in that moment. he just saw an angry coach outside of the appropriate area on the court.

after the call he probably figured out what the complaint was about but you can't really do anything about it by then. there wasn't really anything they could have done at any point several seconds after it happened, there just aren't rules in place to handle that sort of thing. and thank god, i don't want any more reviews than we already have.

[Tom]

Matt Norlander (MattNorlander)

[jyd]

It's something you don't see unless you have a good view of that basket. I'm sure almost everyone courtside saw it.

We're all sure that 12 year old kid saw it.

[tjb]

It's possible for both things to be true. If the refs saw the basket interference, there's a four point game and no T. If Collins doesn't go way out on the floor, NW is in a much better situation.

First half hurt them much worse, as @Craftsy21 points out.

Watched again, think Macintosh got fouled but a decent no-call. Pardon couldn't get fouled because the rim got in the way.

[tjb]

Arizona should go after Archie Miller.